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My birthday is Monday (we're having the family over on Sunday, though)! I'm getting old now, today I went to a ball game and my legs are either so big they get scrunched or they just don't give you enough leg room at the dome. Anyway my family is not a big board gaming family, but I continue to buy them because I know that if people start to play them they will love them. I have had the worst time getting them to play strategy and German games, and I have a feeling I am getting a few of those types. How do I convince them to try playing (this one's worth 20,000,000 points because I really can't even convince them to play games I hate that they like).

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First ... happy birthday! :)

Second ... did you get a Paul Molitor bobble-head doll at the game? I know only the first 10k fans got them, but still ... 8)

Third ... no clue on how to help you get your family to play games you like. This question seems to come up on occassion on Spielfrieks and other discussion forums for these types of games. Sorry. :?

-Bryk

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Happy birthday

This is a serious problem, i think it has been caused by the mass market being flooded by mediocre games. These people have the perception that playing games is just not fun.
Being that it is your birthday and that they are there because of you they should be willing to do what you like for a change. You can ease them into it by pulling out some of your simpler and quicker games. The less time it takes them to learn the more they will enjoy it and if they don't like the game they won't be thinking to them selves when will this darn game end, or not for very long.

Thats all the advice i have, good luck.

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No real solutions as I suffer a bit from the same problem ... but my wife (who does actually like the games but is usually too busy or too tired) is 6 months pregnant and I have 2 boys aged 2 and 4.

That said, my 4 year old assures me he will play my games with me when he gets older.

All I can suggest is start with some lighter games with a healthy dose of luck ... say Settlers of Catan or Ticket To Ride.

And happy birthday!

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Happy Birthday!

So... were you successful? Did you bring some more people into the world of gaming?

Anonymous
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First I'm going to answer a bunch of questions as posted above:

1. Yes I got a Paul Molitor doll, and no it's not for sale unless you're offering me a decent wad of cash for it =)

2. No, I did not manage to convince people to play German games. In fact when I went to the gaming store to purchase Settlers, I was (honest to God) FORCED to buy Compatibility, a game where you try to match what the other person will say. They said if I bought Settlers they would never even try it and would most likely never want to play a board game again. Not that I have anything against Compatibility, it's just that when a person is going to buy something let 'em spend their own money.

So that's the story as it lies. I am highly interested in purchasing Ticket to Ride, Settlers of Catan, Citadels, and Arena Maximus (I'm not sure about Arena Maximus, I'm going to read the review right now).

Basically to get a gist of the argument, I asked everyone if they would be interested in playing Settlers if I bought it. They all moaned and said no. The only response I got was "Why don't you go read Harry Potter? If you want us to play games with you then I want you to read Harry Potter because if I like it you must like it too." (devastation)

Guess I might as well buy the game anyway because when I get married and have kids it will be $40 already spent on the game and not $80 looking for a copy on eBay.

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Dear Snipy3

I sympathies with you. Some people don’t want to play games where logic is a possible requirement for winning. If you check my BGG listing you’ll find a large part of the collection is my wife’s (trivia and party) games. She is reasonable fair about it; I play the games she likes and she plays some of the games I like. We even have several that we both like.
If you can do it without starting an argument why don’t you make a deal that if you spend your time reading Harry Potter they will spend an equivalent amount of time playing games with you. Harry Potter is a big book; that should get you several games for the trade. Honestly it may be a lost cause, from the way you tell it you are getting a hostile response and they might have made up their minds that it won’t be fun. A better solution might be to look for players in your area, odds are there are hundreds of them and spend a night out once and a while to get your game fix.

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I am thinking about looking into having a game day once a week or something. As for reading Harry Potter it was their way of saying "Just because you like it doesn't mean I do," they didn't really want me to read Harry Potter it was just their way of being sarcastic.

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Maybe I can suggest you few modification to your tactics.

Settlers of Catans is a wonderful game, but the game is 1h30 long and can only accomodate 4 players (unless you by the 5-6 players expension).

May I suggest you to buy a nice card game: Bohnanza. This game is fast, can accomodate from 2 to 7 people. You can start with 2 people in the corner and add more players as they're interrested by it.

I suggest also Werewolves of Thiercelieux. Each game take 10 minutes, and people can come and go as they like. The minimum player is 7, but I guess you can convince them to play for 10 minutes.

Having people plays German board game take time, but start with simple games and you could success.

Ciao.

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You might want to check into some of the Yahoo Groups for the Twin Cities area gamers ...

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/TC_Boardgamer

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/GameForumBoardGames

Also, check the links those groups have in their Yahoo pages as well.

-Bryk

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snipy3 wrote:
Basically to get a gist of the argument, I asked everyone if they would be interested in playing Settlers if I bought it. They all moaned and said no. The only response I got was "Why don't you go read Harry Potter? If you want us to play games with you then I want you to read Harry Potter because if I like it you must like it too." (devastation)

So there you go! Strike a deal... they play Settlers with you a few times, and you read Harry Potter!
If you don't like the book, then it's not so bad... and millions of people DO like the book so maybe it's ok. Meanwhile they'll probably like Settlers and want to play it some more.

- Seth

Anonymous
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The Geek has some great lists along similar lines, including:

Best Gateway Game?

Games my wife will play

Games that my (non-gamer) family will play

Snoweel's Games for New Gamers

And many many more!!

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Man that sucks, I hate when people dont even want to try a game once.

Though SiskNY has some good input, I am going to guess that it is hard if not impossible for you to get people/family to play a game that has not been mass marketed. Right?

Another option, will family/friends play games you create? Maybe you need to create a game that mimics some of the great mechanics of various german games you want to play.

Well I sure I did not help much, but if I could play a game with you I would.

PS: Settlers of the Catan is now online at MSN. Saw it demo at GenCON.

Anonymous
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It's online? Sweet, I'll have to check it out.

Oh and one more thing, for the second time the usage of "Harry Potter" was just an argument, they were using it to prove a point. At no point was it serious. Please read the post above that I wrote if you still don't understand (the one that discusses the argument).

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Zzzzz wrote:

Another option, will family/friends play games you create? Maybe you need to create a game that mimics some of the great mechanics of various german games you want to play.

I do make games, and even when I do they all moan and groan and say no before I even ask the question. However since it was my birthday a few days ago I got a game going of my new game (it's up for GDW this week if you want to check it out). Maybe I should have more than one birthday?

Anonymous
any game will do...

I'm not sure about your family, but it seems they have a bias against German style games. You haven't mentioned why they do. And I think some gamers forget to realize that there are usually reasons for this, ones that you can take advantage of.

Meaning if they like commercial games you can spin that positively.

ie. they say "I like monopoly" - You say, "Settlers is like monopoly, you are trying to gain resources, which are just like properties. You are trying to build your buildings on the best spaces, and even upgrade them, just like going from the small hotels to the big ones."

And if they don't like games because they don't like monopoly you can spin that positevly too.

They say "I hate games because monopoly stinks." You say, "What is it about monopoly you don't like." and when they tell you, you say, "Well that's why this is so different...."

In either case I think the wrong tactic is, "Commercial games suck, play this one because its;
More complicated
Gives you decisions
Allows the use of logic
Mechanics are interesting"

This will only scare many people.

You can't attack people and their beliefs, you have to coax them along.

And you can't be too rabid about it, cuz otherwise you come off sounding "strange" (those really into comic books, star trek etc. come to mind, not bad people, but the impression is often negative to an outsider who "doesn't get it").

Oh, and if they are family, another tactic might be used as a last resort. Guilt.

"It's my birthday, and what I want more than anything else is for us to sit down as a family and give this game a try. If you play through the whole game and you hate it we won't have to play it again..."

Which might leave them suspicous, but if they try it and hate it you are better off then them never being exposed in the first place. Plus you've gotten them to try this one, so that fact leads to them maybe trying another game in the future.

People often point to the games themselves, but there is a psychology that goes along with it too that can't be underestimated. Influencing others goes a long way.

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Back again.

One important thing I forgot to mention. Think about what mechanics your family might like and thin about what sort of mechanics you personally are not as good at. Also think of games that can be played in under an hour if possible.

Why?

Well, it makes things more competitive. For example, I tend to win more than my fair share of games like Settlers and the like. However, put me in front of Ra which is an auction game and the reverse is true.

This is important because your family may not be interested in playing games so they can watch you win all the time. (My wife won't play Scrabble with me anymore as I treat it as a maths optimization problem rather than a word game and she has admitted that my general success rate in games can make them not as enticing).

So what does your family like? Sounds like games with a social aspect are good ... does that mean trading games would be good? Are you a much more strategic thinker ... maybe avoid games that are too strategic?

Ticket to Ride might be a good idea because it is relatively simple and the level of strategy required grows with experience (as people think more about securing key routes etc.). It also isn't obviously competitive (until you've played acouple of times at least).

Just a thought anyway ...

Late addendum - also hook into a theme you family might like if possible ...

Anonymous
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Thanks again.

I can barely get them to sit down and tell me why they like/dislike Monopoly (as a matter of fact they dont like that one, the only one they like a lot if LIFE, which I HATE TO DEATH lol). Here's the breakdown:

Logan is 7. He can learn just about anything once he starts playing it (how? he loves video games and doesn't care how complex they are he learns them)
Miranda is 9. She is the one I can convince to play games sometimes, but she usually will moan her way through it by saying "I didnt really want to play anyway"
Jessica is 12. I'm lucky if I can say a word to her without get a nasty remark. Sometimes when she is in a good mood she will play poker, and she said if I got SoC she might play.... MIGHT

Those are the kids in the family I "live" with, the ones I want to play games with. Being the oldest (14) I would obviously like strategy games more than they would, but I just can't see why they don't.

Lisa is old (did I say that), she will play or do anything to make anyone happy.
Russ is older (I better hurry this up before they see this), he plays Runebound (there's a stretch!) and would play just about anything.

I would use reverse tactics like one of you suggested, but how do I use reverse tactics on the board game LIFE? They like the roll and move games (oh i get it SoC has die rolling...)

Anonymous
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I thought I'd let you all know how it went, I bought Ticket to Ride and they loved it! Out of the 6 in the family, 5 of us play it (one is too stubborn to admit that anything I own can be good). I'm looking forward to my upcoming purchases to move them along.

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