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Kreitler
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Anyone out there know of a manufacturer who will print and cut ASL-style chits? I can find plenty of info on die-cut manufacturers, but most of them have a one-time setup fee to create the die you need. Since games with these types of chits keep coming out, someone, somewhere, must have a pre-existing die.

So...anyone know of a manufacturer that charges only for the printing and cutting without requiring a setup fee?

(I apologize if someone has already answered this elsewhere on the forums. I did a quick search through the "Game Production" topics and didn't see this addressed.)

Thanks.

FastLearner
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I saw a discusson of this and a good answer over at ConSimWorld about a year ago -- http://www.consimworld.com/ -- but I'm not sure of where. They were discussing the burgeoning desktop publshed wargame market, and if I recall correctly, mentioned a company that has just such a die and does small runs. Sorry I can't remember more.

-- Matthew

Kreitler
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FastLearner wrote:
I saw a discusson of this and a good answer over at ConSimWorld about a year ago -- http://www.consimworld.com/ -- but I'm not sure of where.

Thanks, Matthew.

I did several searches on the site, but came up empty-handed. I'm having "needle and haystack" problems. If I find the info there, I'll re-post here, as I think it would make good wiki fodder. In the meantime, if anyone else has another resource I could investigate, please let me know.

Thanks!

FastLearner
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I can say that it was in the "DTP Wargames" forum, I'm pretty sure (which is a subforum of "Boardgaming"). Searches in that forum for "die" turn up discussion of the issue, though I didn't see the exact thing in the first few results (lots of results, though).

jkopena
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You might want to talk to http://www.gammazon.com/. They do print-on-demand wargaming, and have produced some sets of chits so you might be able to work something out. There was a company, http://wargamer.data-source.com/, that would do rule books with counter sheets, but they folded last year. They have some stuff up at http://www.neo-forge.com/ now, but it's not like before (less focus on external submissions, though they're probably still willing to talk).

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jkopena wrote:
You might want to talk to http://www.gammazon.com/. They do print-on-demand wargaming, and have produced some sets of chits so you might be able to work something out. There was a company, http://wargamer.data-source.com/, that would do rule books with counter sheets, but they folded last year. They have some stuff up at http://www.neo-forge.com/ now, but it's not like before (less focus on external submissions, though they're probably still willing to talk).

Thanks for the great info, jk. I'm checking it out.

K.

Hegemon
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The folder on Consimworld with a lot of how to's around dies and die-cutting (and printing in general) is called All About Publishing and you can find it here with this link. http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@173.OtuLbXeMaWc.4@.ee6fd8b/0

It's important to understand that most dies at the die-cutter belong to the various companies that do business with the die-cutter, he just can't pull someone else's off the shelf and give it to you. As a rule of thumb, getting a die made with anywhere from 176 to 280 counters runs about $400.00.

My die-cutter charges a set-up fee of around $200.00 (the "cost of doing nothing" as we jokingly refer to it) every time I come to him (about twice a year) and it is an essential step. I suspect anyone who doesn't charge it up front is getting their money by charging you a higher per unit cost for the run.

FastLearner
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Ah, excellent! Knew I'd seen it there, cool.

jkopena
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Hegemon, that's a very interesting thread with some good tidbits in it. I appreciate all the effort you've put into putting detailed info up on there over the years.

Kreitler
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Hegemon wrote:
The folder on Consimworld with a lot of how to's around dies and die-cutting (and printing in general) is called All About Publishing and you can find it here with this link. http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@173.OtuLbXeMaWc.4@.ee6fd8b/0

Thanks for the amazing resource, Hegemon. Those pages are pure gold!

K.

Hegemon
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You're both welcome. Good luck with your respective endeavors and feel free to keep posting questions about game production and publishing. If I have experience in the matter, I'll share what I know.

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