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Anonymous

Hi everyone,

I'm not very good at putting price quotes together but I after searching and reading a lot of posts from knowedgable people on this site, I put together this quote.

*Set up box
size: (to be determined) What size would you recommend based on the information below?
print: 4 color, glossy finish

*Instruction booklet
size: 8.5" x 10.975" - 2 sheets
folded 8.5" x 5.4375"
print: 1c+1c

*Card deck (1)
qty: 120 cards (5 different designs)
size: 1-3/4 by 2 5/8
material: 11 point
Print: 1c+2c
square corners

*Card deck (2)
qty: 88 Cards (42 different designs)
size: 2.5 x 3.5 inch
material: 260 gsm
print: 2c+4c

*Dice
qty: 2 pcs
size: 16mm

*Insert/platform

*Shrink-wrap

*Shipping to Los Angeles

*1,000 - 3,000 - & 5,000 price quotes
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1. Card deck (1) is the same card size as the resource card size as settlers. I am looking for that type of quality in the card so I'm not sure if my "material" is correct. Please advise

2. Card deck (2) is going to be my nicer cards so I was looking for a heavier stock. Any advise there?

3. The maximum number of cards you can hold in the game is 10. Unless you have specialty card (rare) which will allow you to hold 20 and that is why I choose the smaller cards. Based on your experience, is it less expensive to go with the smaller cards or is it less expensive to make all them one size (poker size cards)?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Putting together a quote: Advise requested

alibaba wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'm not very good at putting price quotes together but I after searching and reading a lot of posts from knowedgable people on this site, I put together this quote.

*Set up box
size: (to be determined) What size would you recommend based on the information below?
print: 4 color, glossy finish

*Instruction booklet
size: 8.5" x 10.975" - 2 sheets
folded 8.5" x 5.4375"
print: 1c+1c

*Card deck (1)
qty: 120 cards (5 different designs)
size: 1-3/4 by 2 5/8
material: 11 point
Print: 1c+2c
square corners

*Card deck (2)
qty: 88 Cards (42 different designs)
size: 2.5 x 3.5 inch
material: 260 gsm
print: 2c+4c

*Dice
qty: 2 pcs
size: 16mm

*Insert/platform

*Shrink-wrap

*Shipping to Los Angeles

*1,000 - 3,000 - & 5,000 price quotes
__________________________________

1. Card deck (1) is the same card size as the resource card size as settlers. I am looking for that type of quality in the card so I'm not sure if my "material" is correct. Please advise

2. Card deck (2) is going to be my nicer cards so I was looking for a heavier stock. Any advise there?

3. The maximum number of cards you can hold in the game is 10. Unless you have specialty card (rare) which will allow you to hold 20 and that is why I choose the smaller cards. Based on your experience, is it less expensive to go with the smaller cards or is it less expensive to make all them one size (poker size cards)?

Thanks in advance

Ali,

Since no one has replied yet, I'd thought I'd chime in to at least let you know we're not ignoring you. One of the reasons why you haven't got much of a response is there isn't really much of a question; I.E. You seem to have your ducks all in a row. As for the box size, simply requesting the box should be sufficient. The printer should be able to work out a good size for the box based upon the dimensions you provided for the components (for example, you know the box has to be at least 8.5" x 5.4375 because that is the size of your largest component (rulebook).

Regarding question #1, when you ask for the quote, simply tell them that you want equivalent quality to Settlers resource cards, possibly even mail them a card so they know exactly what you're talking about.

As for question #2, simply ask for playing card quality cards. Generally these are stiffer than card stock (but they still snap back, which makes them easy to shuffle), have an opaque layer in between (so you can't see through them when held to the light), and they are glossy/semiglossy/laminated (again which makes them easier to shuffle). However, going the playing card route can add some expense to your game. Another thing you may want to consider is to have your cards created by a seperate printer; I.E. one that specializes in playing cards. It may cheaper to go this route and you may get better quality cards (assuming that the average printer might not have experience creating playing card quality).

Regarding #3, I have no real experience with publishing games, since for now it's really just a hobby of mine, but experience within this community tells me that there is no 'blanket' answer for your question. The best practice is to ask for prices of both. As in ask for a price for the two different sized card decks, and also request a quote for the one sized deck. Each printer is going to be different so you should go into each encounter with them assuming nothing.

Hope this helps. Again I don't have any real experience with requests for quotes other what I have gleaned from this community, so please keep that in mind when reviewing my advice.

-Darke

Anonymous
Putting together a quote: Advise requested

Thank you. Its does help.

This is my first game and I want to make sure I do everything right. You guys are by the most knowledgable about board games on the net so I that is why I'm here.

Sorry about the numerous questions (unfortunately, there may be more on the way) but hopefully there are others who will benifit for the responses because I'm assuming there are other people who may be in my same situation.

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Putting together a quote: Advise requested

I really don't know how to get those cool quote boxes in my message so I'll just paraphrase. Darke you suggested going with a specialty printer for cards. Do you happen to know of any good ones? I'll actually open that up to anyone. I don't know if that information will specifically help you ali, but I think it would help me and many others.

Thanks

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Re: Putting together a quote: Advise requested

Mind you, a good printer will understand what you mean without you explaining it, but just in case you should probably be more precise in some areas. Some thoughts:

alibaba wrote:
*Set up box
size: (to be determined) What size would you recommend based on the information below?
print: 4 color, glossy finish

You'll want to specify the weight of the box (thickness of the chipboard). I suggest you simply have the printer recommend a weight and then show you how heavy that is.

You'll want to specify if the covers are "wrapped," as most game boxes are. That's where thinner paper is wrapped around a chipboard box. If you don't specify this it's possible that the quote will be based on printing directly on white chipboard.

You'll want to specify the type of box. Odds are you're referring to a telescoping box (separate top and bottom) or you could end up with a tuckbox or a simple glued box (like a box of cereal) in your quote.

Quote:
*Instruction booklet
size: 8.5" x 10.975" - 2 sheets
folded 8.5" x 5.4375"
print: 1c+1c

You'll want to specify how the sheets are attached to each other, if they are. What you probably want is for them to be collated (the "inside" folded sheet inserted into the "outside" folded sheet) and saddle stitched (two stapes put in the "spine" to form a little booklet).

From a notation perspective, in the print bids we deal with your color notation would be 1/1 or 1c/1c, spoken aloud as "one over one".

Quote:
*Card deck (1)
qty: 120 cards (5 different designs)
size: 1-3/4 by 2 5/8
material: 11 point
Print: 1c+2c
square corners

With your cards being so small, I'm not sure what the ideal number of cards are, but you should ask your printer if there is an ideal number. It's possible, for example, that 110 cards would cost you 40% less than 120 cards. Alternately it might be that 130 cards wouldn't cost any more at all.

Quote:
*Card deck (2)
qty: 88 Cards (42 different designs)
size: 2.5 x 3.5 inch
material: 260 gsm
print: 2c+4c

This is definitely an odd number of cards for full-sized ones. You effectively have a 42-card setup, and by default most card printing and dies is designed for multiples of 54 or 55. The only downside is the inefficiency... you're basically throwing some money away. OTOH, if you don't need the cards, then you don't need them.

Quote:
*Dice
qty: 2 pcs
size: 16mm

Here you may want to specify the material. IIRC the decent ones are made out of ABS plastic, with the cheap ones cracking, chipping, and falling apart, but I could easily be wrong about the plastic type (more research!).

Quote:
*Insert/platform

Size, weight, folding, and printing are all important here.

Quote:
*Shrink-wrap

This implies assembly, but you may want to ask for that to be listed as a line item in the quote so you can see how much it's costing you.

Quote:
1. Card deck (1) is the same card size as the resource card size as settlers. I am looking for that type of quality in the card so I'm not sure if my "material" is correct. Please advise

Can't recommend a weight, but if you want the quality of Settlers, I believe you'll want a linen finish on the cards.

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2. Card deck (2) is going to be my nicer cards so I was looking for a heavier stock. Any advise there?

Again, sorry, not sure about the appropriate weight. Haven't specced card printing yet. One of the biggest factors will be whether they're printing with true card stock (not cardstock) or not. Stock for playing cards is a special layered stock, with the outside layers cemented to an inner black layer, keeping the cards completely opaque. Not all playing cards use this technique, but the good ones do. And again with the linen finish.

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3. The maximum number of cards you can hold in the game is 10. Unless you have specialty card (rare) which will allow you to hold 20 and that is why I choose the smaller cards. Based on your experience, is it less expensive to go with the smaller cards or is it less expensive to make all them one size (poker size cards)?

Sorry, I've yet to have cards printed. My comments are based on general printing quotes and aren't game-specific.

-- Matthew

Anonymous
Putting together a quote: Advise requested

Thanks for your feedback and advise.

Which do you think is the less expensive route to go:

(a) Having Cards in two different sizes (as stated in my quote above)

(b) Having all my Cards in the same size (my game can work that way as well)

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