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SVan
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My wife is big into crafts, and she has been helping me put my first prototype together (the Nova game from the GDW.) She gave me a lot of great ideas, and I wanted to share them, just in the case they haven't been shared before. For the first playtests I don't need something wonderful, just something that will make everything easy to understand.

Most of my supplies I got at Wal-Mart. It's actually cheaper than the actually craft shops. I bought a bunch of felt or foam sheets (they're as thick as a token in a heroquest game (the only game i can think of off the top of my head that's matches what i'm talking about) and about 3/4 the size of a piece of paper.

I am making tokens out of them, 3/4'' by 3/4'' (the perfect size I believe) and probably will get at least a hundred or more tokens out of each sheet. They cost me 33 cents each, and for 6 colors, it came out to 2 bucks for the whole thing. (I'm actually going to use the tokens for 2 different games, so it'll be a dollar per game.) They definately don't look professional, but since it'll be friends I'll be playtesting with, it'll be ok.

I was going to use beads for the tokens, and still may. One of the biggest craft distributers, orientaltradingcompany.com has all the beads in the world. The one's I was going to get were 3.95 for 500 beads of many different colors. The bad part is the 6.95 S/H, but if you get enough things the shipping and handling isn't anything compared to what you get.

I'm also going to use tiny army men from a dollar store for my colonists, and look for other cheap but paintable items for the mines and colonies.

I do need some help obtaining a container for my other game I am working on. I need something that holds up to 10 different kinds of tokens about the size I said above, for cheap, a dollar or two a piece. Coin holders are the best thing that come to mind, but those only hold 4 or 5 coins max. Maybe two of them put together? Any ideas?

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Re: Using Craft Supplies

SVan wrote:

I do need some help obtaining a container for my other game I am working on. I need something that holds up to 10 different kinds of tokens about the size I said above, for cheap, a dollar or two a piece. Coin holders are the best thing that come to mind, but those only hold 4 or 5 coins max. Maybe two of them put together? Any ideas?

I've been thinking about a similar question for another design of mine which would involve packaging for just a bunch of disks, I've been heading in the plastic tube direction, so I just did a quick google and here's the first place that came up their prices look pretty decent which should leave some money in your budget for printing a nice label to go on the outside. Although, they do have a $50 minimum http://www.jcdanczak.com/our_products/subcat_16.html

Hope that's helpful.

peace,
Tom

SVan
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That is a great site. I definately will keep it in mind.

However it isn't exactly what I want. And the problem is, what I want may not exist.

Basically, I want in one container, a place to put up to 15 tokens of the size i mentioned in my previous post of each color, with a spot for 5 colors (I originally said 10, but my brain had a moron attack and counted wrong. I've punished it by making it listen to horrible music...)

What I need is for those 5 containers to be connected, similar to a coin holder for the different kinds of coins. The tokens need to be able to be reached quickly, to not slow the game down too much. I'm probably asking for too much, I know.

(When I get the rules together I'll post it in the journal's section, under For the People (a voting game based on each player being a senator for a particular state.)

Thanks for the help, and also thanks in advance for any other comments.

Edit: After looking at the website again, I decided that if I could find the containers cheap, I guess I could build what I want out of them, but it would be a lot of work...

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As I read these comments I kept wondering if coin "areas" could be created by designing on cardstock or whatever a heading and then an area below it on which the coins are placed. Size is up to you. They could be color coded or whatever to make it easy to distiguish. Containers always seem to break and wear easily and I don't know if it necessarily makes it easier to grab coins having them in containers. Of course using this technique you will still probably need a container for all of the coins for storage in the box unless it is ok to have them loose and the players would have to sort them out before playing.

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rob

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Yeah, I kinda agree with Prophx... why not just have piles of coins? Are we talking a few hundred of each?

Just pile the coins up... containers are expensive as well as cumbersome. I'd rather just be able to reach across the table and grab some coins out of a pile...

...seems kinda superfluous if you ask me.

Tyler

hpox
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Nice ideas, I can never find anything helpful at orientaltrading though.

That packaging site is great. What's the difference between a packaging tube (on special) and a mailing tube? Caps for mailing tubes cost more than the tube themselves, what's up with that?

Just ordered 2000 flat marbles (gaming stones) from http://www.megaglass.com/. Pretty sure, they're the cheapest on the net but you have to order a lot. The customer service looks top notch. They answered my email to correct a shipping info in less than an hour. Very courteous too.

I found another site while looking for the marbles that could be of use. The price is a little higher but you order in batch of 100. This site is very well done with good pictures for the products they sell. I'm thinking I should have gone with this site instead of MegaGlass.

http://crystalrivergems.com/ wrote:
We love to ship to Canada and UK. We only charge $16.50 for most orders.

Cost me $22.50 on MegaGlass...

Tiny army men is a sweet idea. They're dirt cheap too.

SVan
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I have a bunch of those stones from when i played magic or lotr. Those are probably too expensive in my eyes for a prototype, although the 2000 one doesn't seem too bad. Was the $22 before the shipping or after? I couldn't find the kind you bought, which kind was it again?

I've cut out all of my tokens for the Nova game, and the tokens look and feel great. People will tell that they were cut by a human and not a machine, but other wise they are bright and you can tell the colors apart easily. It actually took me an hour of actual cutting.

I'm going to try cardboard and acrylic paints for my planets. I bought some extra large index cards (5'' by 7'' maybe?) and am going to use that for my player reference/victory point/speed tracker.

Anyone know where to get small houses (like monopoly houses) and / or small mine-like structures (these need to be about the same size as the monopoly houses)

Also on the coin containers, I'm not looking to put coins in their, but actually tokens of different colors. I'm probably going to go with sandwich bags (until i can convince my wife to sew cloth bags for me.) I may incorporate screens to help the voting be more secretative but will test to see if I actually need them before making them.

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SVan wrote:

Anyone know where to get small houses (like monopoly houses) and / or small mine-like structures (these need to be about the same size as the monopoly houses)

Although it's a UK company, which might make shipping pretty pricey, you might check out Plastics For Games. (www.plasticsforgames.co.uk) They sell quite a few different game pieces and you get your choice of several colors.

SVan
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Wow I like that site. It does got a lot of things, in the colors I will need. Shipping may be actually worth it. Maybe if they have an American distributer or a distributer like them here?

hpox
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3 bulk bags of 650 pcs. in Light Blue, Dark Blue and Green.

The $22 is for shipping alone. Note that I'm in Canada and they added a $5 surcharge for handling a "small order" hence why I think Crystal Rivers would have been a wiser choice. Oh well...

Item Subtotal: $33.00
Shipping Cost: $17.20
Small Order Fee: $5
GRAND TOTAL: $55.20

So in the end, it cost about 0.03 per stone or 0.18 per game. Enough stones to make 300 games.

For houses, there's also Rolco Games in U.S.A. Thread about Rolco. You can always check out BGDF's Web Resources. There's a section on Game Parts.

SVan
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hpox wrote:

For houses, there's also Rolco Games in U.S.A. Thread about Rolco. You can always check out BGDF's Web Resources. There's a section on Game Parts.

Thanks I'll check it out. I forgot about the links part in this site.

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3 bulk bags of 650 pcs. in Light Blue, Dark Blue and Green.

The $22 is for shipping alone. Note that I'm in Canada and they added a $5 surcharge for handling a "small order" hence why I think Crystal Rivers would have been a wiser choice. Oh well...

Item Subtotal: $33.00
Shipping Cost: $17.20
Small Order Fee: $5
GRAND TOTAL: $55.20

So in the end, it cost about 0.03 per stone or 0.18 per game. Enough stones to make 300 games.

That's not that bad then, if you only need the 3 colors. My game needs 6 colors, so it wouldn't work so well for me. (although I believe I saw multi color stuff there too)

Thanks for your help...

-Steve

edit: I sent Rolco an email about the custom parts I need. I'll relay the info I get back here. Thanks again.

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Another find at Wal Mart

I was at Wal Mart today, and picked up something I think will make good tokens. They're 3/8" wood buttons- brand name Creative Wood. They are plain wood, and I colored a few with Sharpee markers- the red one looks great, the Blue one looks purple, and the geren and black ones look about the same... In fact, the purple/blue ones look pretty close to the black and green as well.

So I have to find another way to color them, but they come in bags of 90 for like $2... I guess that's between 2 and 3 cents apiece. And they are shaped like little mushrooms or huts- flat on the bottom and curved on top. I think they'll look nice for any application where the token either represents a building Monopoly houses), or any generic thing (PR colonists). If it's generic, you wouldn't even need to color them.

- Seth

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I was at Wal Mart today, and picked up something I think will make good tokens. They're 3/8" wood buttons- brand name Creative Wood. They are plain wood, and I colored a few with Sharpee markers- the red one looks great, the Blue one looks purple, and the geren and black ones look about the same... In fact, the purple/blue ones look pretty close to the black and green as well.

So I have to find another way to color them, but they come in bags of 90 for like $2... I guess that's between 2 and 3 cents apiece. And they are shaped like little mushrooms or huts- flat on the bottom and curved on top. I think they'll look nice for any application where the token either represents a building Monopoly houses), or any generic thing (PR colonists). If it's generic, you wouldn't even need to color them.

When I was in Wal-mart the last time looking for stuff and was about to give up, I saw something that I believed would work. That was the creative wood buttons. To me they looked like futuristic mines. I only needed 30 of them, but at the price they were the extras could be used in another prototype (after all the work on this one, I don't know if I want to make another one...that's another story in itself.)

I got some acrylic paints for cheap (44 cents a piece at wal-mart) so probably for 5 bucks I could make enough of them for 3 games.

The tiny army men are perfect. The ones I used had very tiny guns, it could almost look like they are pointing their fingers instead of shooting something. The paint made them look great. The planets are made out of cardboard, and painted as well. So far it looks great, and now all I got left is writing up the player references and ship boards, and playtesting can begin.

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I tried a new tecnique this weekend for coloring wood... and I am VERY pleased with the results.

I needed 10 tiles, 5 each of two colors. So, I got some wooden tiles... and.... wait for it...... food coloring.

Watered down the food coloring a bit (with water, imagine that)... put the colored water and tiles into one of my martini shakers... shaken, not stirred... dabbed them off with a towel... whala, colored wood! :)

I had to rub them a bit more to get the residual dye off (after my fingers turned colors of course) but I rubbed them this morning and no more color came of... so I'm considering the experiment a success.

Tyler

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Random_Person wrote:

I needed 10 tiles, 5 each of two colors. So, I got some wooden tiles... and.... wait for it...... food coloring.

Cool idea! Glad it worked for you. My own concern with this technique is similar to using dye -- I had the sense from Fast that anything where you soak the wood bits in water/dye/whatever can raise the grain unevenly and leave a rough surface. Did anything like that happen to you?

Other than that, it sounds good. Some colors, like black, will be tough with a standard pack of 4 color food dyes (red, yellow, blue, green) but other than that, it sounds like quite a useful (and simple) idea. Thanks!

-J

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Actually, no, there weren't any grain problems.
The tiles I got were from a craft store (I don't know which)... so they were nicely cut and sanded before I got to them... wasn't something I ripped on the bandsaw or anything.

My only concern would be getting the colors right doing multiple batches. Getting the dye/water mixture the same every time is near impossible... so you might have different shades between batches... of course, if you can do everything in one go that's not a problem.

Tyler

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How does the dye/food color hold up to getting wet later? God forbid a spilled drink near your prototype, or the more likely sweaty palms.

just curious.

peace,
Tom

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Hm, dunno... good question.
This is my first attempt at it.
But, if it poses a problem, I'll prolly just use some spray acryllic to cover it with a nice protective coating.

My choice for dye was due to my noticing that the pieces in my german games are not painted... they are dyed somehow... thats why you can still make out the grain......

Tyler

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back to things for putting 10 coins in...

Im not too sure if you would just get shot for asking in the states :wink: but in the Uk I went to a photo processing shop. (where you take films to be developed?)
and asked if they had any of the little pots that films come in that I could have, (very nicely)

To them they were a waste product, and he gave me two bin bags full, (about 400) for free. :lol:

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nice.... i used to collect film canisters for random paints and bits.... unfortunately with a few residence moves they have gone away.... (the "little woman" does NOT agree with my pack-rat-ism.... especially when it comes to moving all the c**p from appt. to appt.)

gets me in mind of a HUGE bag of wine corks left over in the bowels of the restaurant i work in... it's just sitting down there with what must be thousands of wine corks....

hmmm.....

sorry....

thinking out loud here...

Anonymous
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thousands of wine corks.... wrote:

title:
vin-tiddley-winks

players:2
duration: infinate, (if played to one point)
Difficalty: hard
ages: 10+

concept:
Using a corkscrew players have to wink their corks into the mouths of bottles, If players miss they have to drink a glass of wine.
:wink:

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