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rkalajian
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Alrighty. I've got some more playtesting to do with Element (see GDW for rules), but I think i'm pretty close to having it done.

I plan on self publishing under the Winter-Wind Studios name, but I'm a bit stumped on one aspect of manufacturing the game.

I plan of hand making each set. This should be cheap enough where I can sell the game for a relatively low price (sub $10 would be great, $5 would be ideal). I was thinking of getting blank dice from protoparts, and either printing the cards myself from my printer at work or getting them done by a proffesional printer. Here's my ordeal...where can I find labels for the blank dice? This seems to be the one thing holding me back. I've found blank dice online that come with lables, but the price is hefty and nothing compared to the protoparts price for dice. Anyone know where I might get some?

Other than that, i'm pretty excited that I might actually be able to sell something soon. As I stated in a previous thread, I'll be running a charity event for the first month of sales. I'm planning on calling the event "Games for Gatos" where all the money from sales will be donated to a local cat rescue organization called "MEOW". Any thoughts on this idea are welcome also.

Thanks :)

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If you used slightly larger than normal dice, you could use the labels highlighted in this thread:

http://www.bgdf.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1134

Where to get 3/4" dice is another bag altogether. Good luck with your production!

-Darke

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For the smaller wooden cubes in "Castle Danger", I use something like this:
http://www.avery.com/us/Main?action=product.Details&catalogcode=WEB01&node=10211258&productcode=5667
(and they have ink jet versions too ... but they tend to smudge a bit when handled)

I print out my graphics 3 or 4 per label, then use a scissors to cut them into 1/2" squares ... peel and stick. :)

-Bryk

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I just happened to send an email earlier today to Rolco and Gameparts.net asking for a quote on blank dice. Who or what is the "protoparts" place you mention. I'd be interested in getting other quotes if people know of places I should check out. (I got the Rolco and Game Parts info off the BGDF Web Resources - very helpful by the way.)

I'm getting these quotes because I too am thinking about putting my second game together on my own. The first I had printed and put together by an outside company. The components of my second game are different though and thus could be put together without farming it out.

I also have the issue with respect to labeling of the dice. Unless I missed it, it didn't appear Avery makes any square labels in the size range of 1 inch. I'd like to provide the label for the dice, but have customers put them on themselves so cutting them out isn't really an option. I have two reasons for doing this. One is simply the time involved with putting stickers on six sided dice. I'm not real exicted about doing thousands of dice. But the other is that I want to provide labels in both English and Spanish and allow customers to decide which they affix to their dice.

Anyone have additional thoughts on this issue? Thanks.

Chip

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The protoparts store just opened a few weeks ago. I believe it is the BGDF's store.

I ordered some blank gameboards along with some blank playing cards from them and got them very quickly. Great service!

Avery does make a 1" circle label:

http://www.avery.com/us/Main?action=product.Details&catalogcode=WEB01&no...

I presume you could print on them if your printer can handle custom size sheets. Perhaps they would work instead of square ones?

I've never tried them, but I plan to soon.

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It ain't pretty, but the stuff is great: http://protoparts.bgdf.com

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Chip wrote:

I also have the issue with respect to labeling of the dice. Unless I missed it, it didn't appear Avery makes any square labels in the size range of 1 inch. I'd like to provide the label for the dice, but have customers put them on themselves so cutting them out isn't really an option. I have two reasons for doing this. One is simply the time involved with putting stickers on six sided dice. I'm not real exicted about doing thousands of dice. But the other is that I want to provide labels in both English and Spanish and allow customers to decide which they affix to their dice.

Anyone have additional thoughts on this issue? Thanks.

Chip

Since dice have rounded corners, you would need round labels anyway right? Or am I missing the obvious here? The dice sold at the protoparts store are 15 MM, which I think is a little smaller than 3/4", so the 3/4" avery labels wouldn't work. So either a smaller round label needs to be found or a larger die (the latter is probably easier to find).

-Darke

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Not all dice have rounded corners. The ones I'm looking at for use in my game at the moment aren't rounded off. The round Avery labels might work in this situation anyway though. I'll have to try it out and see how it looks. Thanks for the info.

Chip

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Hmm... I just posted a link to these guys in the tyvek thread but I'll post it here too as I noticed that they, rippedsheets.com, also have "no die fees" even for short runs ... according to this link.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I have been quite pleased with the quality of their clear inkjet labels, but I haven't used their die cutting option.

Also, they were very accommodating, sending little samples, preprinted, of several of their products prior to my making a purchase.

peace,
Tom

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Damn that's sweet. I'm gonna have to give that a shot. First things first...I need to order some blank dice!

As far as everything else is concerend, I'm getting much more excited as playtesting goes on.

Chip
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GamesOnTheBrain wrote:

Avery does make a 1" circle label:

http://www.avery.com/us/Main?action=product.Details&catalogcode=WEB01&no...

The Avery label 5247 is actually a Mailing Seal. It is in fact a 1" round circle, but it has a perforation line in the middle of it (apparently to make it easy to fold). I did recently find Avery label 5112 which is a 1" round label with no perforation line in the middle. This label happens to be yellow though. It comes 12 to a sheet. I plan to contact Avery to see if they make a white one. Yellow will suffice if need be, but I think I'd prefer white.

Chip

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I just heard back from Avery. They do not make a white, round 1" label (except for the mailing seal with the perforation in it).

Chip

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While surfing, I found this 19 MM blank D6. The 3/4" avery labels are about 18MM so I think it might actually work with this die, especially since it doesn't have rounded corners. If you wanted to use a die with rounded corners, you'd probably want to find a 20MM blank D6.

Here is the link:
http://rpg.discountgames.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_315&products_id=3...

They are $.68 from this webstore. Kind of expensive, you'd probably do best to find out their supplier and order it directly from them.

Good luck with Elemental!
-Darke

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The supplier is Koplow games (www.koplowgames.com) . Here is a link to their catalog page:

http://www.koplowgames.com/page39.html

Technically they do not sell directly to the public, but I'm sure you can contact them and work something out.

-Darke

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For a 15mm blank die, you would need .5" labels (15mm equates roughly to .59"). You could buy larger labels (or a sheet label), then use a .5" craft punch (they sell just about everything in the way of craft punches these days) and punch them out at exactly the size you need.

As for smudging, I had the opportunity to play nosissies' Othberon (sp?) which used wooden tiles with ink jet labels on them for card faces. He said that the only coating was a protective varnish/spray, ahd they haven't smudged much in the 2+ years he's been using them.

Good luck with your game!!

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Hrm, i'd never though about using a punch before. I'll give it a shot, gonna make a a real nice prototype once the dice come in the mail.

As for the game itself...we'll see how things go since Friday's playtest didn't go so well :)

Chip
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After hearing back via email from Avery about the white, round 1" labels I was looking for, I did some more searching. It didn't seem right that Avery would only make a yellow 1" round label, and not a white one. As it turns out, the customer service people at Avery apparently sent me some bad info. I did in fact find the label I was looking for. Here are the Avery product numbers and descriptions for what I found.

5410 1" round white labels
5427 1" round yellow labels
These come 12 to a sheet

The following list is for 3/4" round labels (for the colors indicated)
5408 white
5474 flourescent assortment
5472 assorted colors (red, green, yellow, blue)
5462 yellow
5467 red glow
5471 orange glow
5466 red
5469 dark blue
5461 light blue
5468 green glow
These all come 24 to a sheet

And finally 5406 is 1/2" round white labels.
How many per sheet I do not know

Many of these you can purchase at the Avery website, but they're relatively expensive there.

I just bought some 1" white round ones at my local Office Depot for about $5.

You can find the white labels described here at Office Depot online as well. The link is:

http://www.officedepot.com/ddMain.do?level=FM&id=103&location_info=SG_1_...

Chip

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Also you can get a template from the Avery web site for printing with Word for both the 1" round labels and the 3/4" round labels.

http://www.avery.com/us/Main?action=software.BlankTPLProductSearch&catal...

http://www.avery.com/us/Main?action=software.BlankTPLProductSearch&catal...

It didn't appear as though there was a template for the 1/2" labels. These are described as "hand-written" labels.

Chip

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Nice work, Chip -- very, very handy! :-)

Chip wrote:
I just bought some 1" white round ones at my local Office Depot for about $5.

Did you see any of the smaller round labels there -- 1/2-inch and/or 3/4-inch?

If so, do you mind if I ask which specific Office Depot location you found them at? I work in Plymouth and live southwest of the big lake, so I pass right through the Wayzata area to/from work. PM me if you'd rather not get that detailed on a public post. ;-)

-Matt

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Woohoo! It wouldn't be too hard to create a template for the 1/2" labels if they don't supply one.

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I posted this a few days ago in the Game Production area:

You might be interested in this supplier that I found:

http://store.yahoo.com/data-labels/roundlabels.html

They have:

3/4" Round Circular Labels
1" Round Circular Labels
1-3/8" Round Circular Labels
1-1/2" Round Circular Labels
1-2/3" Round Circular Labels
2-1/2" Round Circular Labels
3-1/8" Round Circular Labels
4" Round Circular Labels

One thing that is nice about the 3/4" rounds is that unlike many other 3/4" round labels I've seen, these appear to come on 8 1/2" x 11" sheets, with 120 per sheet. The price seems pretty reasonable too.

Chip
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Brykovian wrote:

If so, do you mind if I ask which specific Office Depot location you found them at? I work in Plymouth and live southwest of the big lake, so I pass right through the Wayzata area to/from work. PM me if you'd rather not get that detailed on a public post. ;-)

The Office Depot in question is on Plymouth road just north of the Ridgedale watertower (north of 394). It's next to a Circuit City and on the same road you'd turn on to get to Haskell's. I saw all the 3/4" round labels I mentioned in the previous post. I don't remember seeing any 1/2" white ones though. There were other colored 1/2" round stickers. I say stickers and not labels though because they looked like they were meant for color coding kinds of activities and didn't look printer friendly, although you could certainly try putting them through.

Chip

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Thanks, Chip ... I know the place well. :) Although I've been tending to go to the OfficeMax that is down that same access road in the opposite direction -- past the car dealerships, in the same complex as the Toys-R-Us. That was where I found the 20"-by-30" sheets of illustrators board for $3 (great for hand-made gameboards).

-Bryk

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SiskNY wrote:

As for smudging, I had the opportunity to play nosissies' Othberon (sp?) which used wooden tiles with ink jet labels on them for card faces. He said that the only coating was a protective varnish/spray, ahd they haven't smudged much in the 2+ years he's been using them.

Yep, the spray I used was recommended and supplied by rippedsheets.com, the same place I bought the clear inkjet labels.

It's just a photo lacquer with uv inhibitor, the brand on this one is "sureguard" High Gloss #PL11

I'm pretty sure that krylon makes stuff like this too.

One note on spraying, you'll want to let your print dry for a day or a few before spraying it to ensure that you don't make it bleed.

peace,
Tom

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