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Sun, 01/04/2004 - 23:12
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Ok... Now that the holidays are over I think it's time we tried to revive this game again. I respectfully make two requests...

1) Reply to this thread just to let us know you're still interested in working on the project. Also throw in whatever comments you'd like to make thus far about the project; whether they be specific to the game or just the project in general.

2) Over the next week, read over the threads to get yourself reacquainted (pardon the spelling) with what's been discussed so far. Think about it and let it rattle around in your brain for a while. I will try and post another 'assumptions and issues' thread. Hopefully having stepped away for the last few weeks will give us fresh brains and enable us to come up with good ideas on how to implement this game.

Again fire off a quick reply to let us know you're here. I want to know who's still interested in seeing this thing through.

Thanks,
Darke

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Mon, 01/05/2004 - 05:41
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Dust this baby off!

I'm still interested. I'll have to get caught up again though; I lost track of the details around the time CityBuilder went through the GDW.

Jason

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Tue, 01/06/2004 - 03:29
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Dust this baby off!

I'm still interested as well.

- Seth

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Tue, 01/06/2004 - 19:43
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Dust this baby off!

For some reason, this area wasn't flagged with "new stuff" when I looked, so I didn't know we'd woken back up again!

Anyway, I'm still interested (I've been trying to work out a reasonable set of Event cards that meet all our requested criteria :))

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Fri, 03/26/2004 - 13:54
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revival

Folks,

I don't quite think that this project is going to get completed. However, I'd hate to see all this brainstorming go to waste.

I have a couple of suggestions:

* A handful of people (4 or 5 at most) continue with the project.

* Several groups break off from the main group and each group finishes the project to their liking. I envision a collaboration of just two people in these groups. This would especially be useful for folks who might not have liked the direction the game was going in, but found that there was another individual who shared most of your opinions on the project.

* Each individual person can take the idea and do with it how they please.

* Any combination of the above.

* The project dies.

My main question is this: would any of you mind if the project was diverted from the main group to individuals or other, smaller groups? I don't know how practical it would be to try and complete the game as it stands, but I do believe someone could make a decent run of it if there were less 'hands in the pot', so to speak.

Any thoughts?

-Michael

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Fri, 04/02/2004 - 14:43
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Re: revival

Darkehorse wrote:
Folks,

I don't quite think that this project is going to get completed. However, I'd hate to see all this brainstorming go to waste.

I have a couple of suggestions:

* A handful of people (4 or 5 at most) continue with the project.

* Several groups break off from the main group and each group finishes the project to their liking. I envision a collaboration of just two people in these groups. This would especially be useful for folks who might not have liked the direction the game was going in, but found that there was another individual who shared most of your opinions on the project.

* Each individual person can take the idea and do with it how they please.

* Any combination of the above.

* The project dies.

My main question is this: would any of you mind if the project was diverted from the main group to individuals or other, smaller groups? I don't know how practical it would be to try and complete the game as it stands, but I do believe someone could make a decent run of it if there were less 'hands in the pot', so to speak.

Any thoughts?

-Michael

*Bump* *Ahem* I've never bumped before, this is so degrading.

-M

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Fri, 04/02/2004 - 17:05
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Re: revival

It's amazing how the traffic about this game has died out so much.

For your main question, if anyone can use the work we did towards making a game, I'd say go for it.

It seems like having several groups break off would be the best way, but based on how dead this forum is, that doesn't seem likely.

We can even make finishing the game the theme for the next contest :)

Jason

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Mon, 04/05/2004 - 12:42
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Ok

Ok,

I'd like to work with one, maybe two other people to get this game done.

Perhaps we should break up into two to three groups and go for it. The way I see it, one of our hugest road blocks were that people had wildly differing ideas of how the game should go. Perhaps each person who is interested in continuing should post a brief general description of how they think the game should progress, then people can group up with others of similar tastes. I think I will post a news article to remind people to check this forum and after that people can form groups amongst themselves. I will see to it that a private forum is setup for each group to work on their design.

-Michael

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Mon, 04/05/2004 - 14:12
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Dust this baby off!

Why don't we elect a head designer? Based on what we have already decided and further suggestion that person will be responsible for delegating tasks to the others working on the project including setting up play testing and revisions. In the end it will be the Head Designer who will decide the direction the game will go in and approve the final design.

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Mon, 04/05/2004 - 14:34
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Why?

Dralius wrote:
Why don't we elect a head designer? Based on what we have already decided and further suggestion that person will be responsible for delegating tasks to the others working on the project including setting up play testing and revisions. In the end it will be the Head Designer who will decide the direction the game will go in and approve the final design.

Well, because we still haven't decided on which direction the game will go in. We can delegate tasks until the cows come home, but first we need to decide what those tasks specifically are. And really, I think a head designer would defeat the whole spirit of the project.

-M

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Mon, 04/05/2004 - 15:14
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Dust this baby off!

Since we voted on everything else I think we should all put up ideas on how we should precede and those who are still interested in the project should vote and live with the results regardless if it's how they want to do things. This entire process has been a compromise; it might be time to compromise our ability to control the project so that it will get done.

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Mon, 04/05/2004 - 16:11
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Dust this baby off!

I didn't really get involved in the project for a variety of reasons, but I think what Michael proposes is a good way to "salvage" the project and perhaps expand it beyond its original scope. I believe that creating avenues and opportunities for collaboration is a potential benefit of the BGDF community, and I think it would be useful to see the CGD as a springboard for design collaborations. I wouldn't be interested in participating in a collaborative project based on the current CGD game, but I could see myself working in a collaboration with someone else from the group on something different. I could certainly see myself saying "hey, I have this idea that I'm stalled on; anyone want to work on it with me?" but I'd probably want to float that request, and to have the resulting discussion, in a location on the site that is either only viewable to "selected" members of the community, or is fully private. So, if it's possible to set up private threads or forums, I think this could be quite a useful thing, though I could understand if you didn't want to make it too common if it's a pain for you to be setting such things up.

Good luck with whatever you manage to do with the CGD but do keep the rest of us informed just in case there are any site functionality changes that might facilitate collaboration for other projects...

-Jeff

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Mon, 04/05/2004 - 17:15
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Good Idea

Dralius wrote:
Since we voted on everything else I think we should all put up ideas on how we should precede and those who are still interested in the project should vote and live with the results regardless if it's how they want to do things. This entire process has been a compromise; it might be time to compromise our ability to control the project so that it will get done.

However, let's first try and get a feel for who's still interested. It seems to me like there aren't that many.

I'm all for voting, but what would our options be?

1) Elect a head designer
2) Break into subgroups
3) Continue as is with whomever is still interested

What other options are there?

-Darke

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Tue, 04/06/2004 - 01:13
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Re: Good Idea

Darkehorse wrote:

1) Elect a head designer

I think this is a terrible idea. As you said, it defeats the purpose of the project, and also, it's functionally similar but inferior to the proposals Darke made.
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2) Break into subgroups
3) Continue as is with whomever is still interested

I think 2 and 3 here are the same thing... interested parties break into subgroup(s) and continue the project.
What other options are there?

I don't know what other options there are, but I vote for this one anyway (the "interested parties break into subgroup(s) and continue the project." option)

- Seth

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Tue, 04/06/2004 - 08:16
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Dust this baby off!

The only problem i see with option two "Breaking into groups" is that i thought that the eventual outcome would be that the group will publish it. Are we going to publish all the games that result or are we going to vote on one. We are talking about a long term commitment. It would be a shame if i or anyone else spent the next year or more working on a game that if it were not published here we could not submit it elsewhere.

How about this for an option, we see how many of us still are interested in working on this project. If we have 5 or less who are willing to work on this steadily we don't break up into groups.

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Tue, 04/06/2004 - 09:15
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Re: Good Idea

sedjtroll wrote:

2) Break into subgroups
3) Continue as is with whomever is still interested

I think 2 and 3 here are the same thing... interested parties break into subgroup(s) and continue the project. I don't know what other options there are, but I vote for this one anyway (the "interested parties break into subgroup(s) and continue the project." option)

- Seth

No by option 3 I meant continue AS IS, as in we continue with one big group.

Dralius wrote:

The only problem i see with option two "Breaking into groups" is that i thought that the eventual outcome would be that the group will publish it. Are we going to publish all the games that result or are we going to vote on one. We are talking about a long term commitment. It would be a shame if i or anyone else spent the next year or more working on a game that if it were not published here we could not submit it elsewhere.

How about this for an option, we see how many of us still are interested in working on this project. If we have 5 or less who are willing to work on this steadily we don't break up into groups.

Well, to be perfectly honest, I don't think publication was ever really an option. Seriously consider how that would be done? Who would get royalties? Who would make decisions about the contracts, licensing, etc? The spirit of the project was to see if it could be done, and to refine the process for future collaborations.

However, I think if we break into groups then each group could decide what they would like to do. If they would like to pursue publication, that's fine. If they want to release the game as a free download, that's fine too.

Per continuing on with 5 or so people, my personal opinion is no. I think collaboration of this type really starts to break down with more than 3 people. For instance, I know Seth's and my views about this project are about 180 degrees different. For that reason, it probably would be best if we didn't work on the same project. Otherwise I think the project would stall again. And FYI, before the holidays, we had only about 6 people working on it, and we still couldn't agree on a lot of things.

-Darke

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Tue, 04/06/2004 - 10:46
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Dust this baby off!

I am sorry i misunderstood the purpose here. In that case it does not matter to me how we proceed. I will still be happy to assist with this project if i can.

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Tue, 04/06/2004 - 15:23
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That's fine

Dralius wrote:
I am sorry i misunderstood the purpose here. In that case it does not matter to me how we proceed. I will still be happy to assist with this project if i can.

If I recall correctly, you weren't very active with the inital stages? Is that correct? It doesn't matter however, I would welcome your input on progressing the project further. Based upon the replies to my news request, I would guess a lot of people aren't really interested right now in participating. We will wait a tad longer too see if anyone else is interested.

-Darke

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Tue, 04/06/2004 - 16:10
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Dust this baby off!

I have not participated in any discussion for this project since fall of last year, i voted on all the initial stages of the game design and offered suggestions when i thought i had an idea worth bringing up. If you need an opinion or an idea let me know. I am always happy to help out. I will keep checking in to see how thing are progressing.

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