Hi everyone, I was just wondering if any of you know of any totally symmetric non-random games? By "totally symmetric" I basically mean games that not only have a symmetric setup (like in Checkers), but also have no asymmetry in turn order, (like Diplomacy, which uses a form of simultaneous action selection along with simultaneous action execution). By "non-random" I mean no dice or card shuffling or anything like that.

If anyone knows of any I'd love to hear about them, and any thoughts on how they play would be much appreciated as well if you've actually tried them out.

Thanks,

Blake

Thanks for the comments everyone! Ricochet Robots, Rock-Paper-Scissors, and quite possibly the WWI dogfighting game all (at least in my mind) qualify as symmetric non-random games. Because the randomness occurs before the game really begins in Ricochet Robots (if I understand it correctly) and it affects everyone equally, it does seem like a symmetric non-random game to me. And that WWI game sounds interesting too (and strangely familiar, like I've heard about it before somewhere).

Rock-Paper-Scissors is really an excellent example of what I was thinking about, and I don't know why I didn't think of it myself. And yes Pastor_Mora, luck probably will play a large role in any such game, though not necessarily randomness.

I'm not really sure why I find the idea of symmetric non-random games so interesting, but thank you all for the comments/insights.

Best,

-Blake