A *NEW* concept in dice rolling combat

But it offer a bunch of OTHER possibilities TOO! Namely even IF the *NEW* version of the die NOW works like your typical D6 ... It does a whole bunch of CUSTOM probabilities and STATS beyond it.

Why I WANTED it to "offer" the standard D6 ... Is because it makes the dice more readily useable for many people. If "AT IT'S CORE" it's a standard D6 ... well then customization just ENHANCES the VALUE of the die!

Some statistical information:

Average (Mean) #1: 1.5
Average (Mean) #2: 2.0
Average (Mean) #3: 0.83
Average (Mean) #4: 3.5 (Standard D6)

The only one that is a BIT "out-there" (in left-field) is #3...

It would have been nice had it been "1.0" TBH! Again not perfect... But very close to having all "nice" mean values.

(Darn it again... "Close but no cigar")

The "fudging around" has made the standard D6 possible. That was Step #1. Having a standard D6 which when rolled offers you the correct values.

Next Step #2 was to offer an Average of 0.67%. I can do this with a special rule. Much like DIVISION BY 0 is undetermined, a Blank Face = 0 as a value. It's like that rule, in that no MATH can be applied, the VALUE = 0.

This makes both the POSITIVE and NEGATIVE die rolls work together. Giving reasonable Face Odds.

Now Step #3 offers two (2) Additional Averages (Means) 1.5 and 2.0. Although the Face values are a little "unpredictable" ... The means is the real key. You're not expected to understand the Face Distributions only the AVERAGES (and the statistical output).

As a NOTE, Step #2 is the most important when doing computation using the dice. That Blank Face rule is an IMPORTANT one (and it's sort of a way of handling the "exception"). Again because the dice are NOT PERFECT, this was a way to "work-around" the inequality in values. And gives more even probabilities and outcomes.

So first of all, I got these dice partially from a "dream". I was dreaming about someone's game and then there were these "dice". The "dice" were not like regular dice, they had special attributes and DESIGNs on the faces...

When I post up the sample of the dice on "The Game Crafter" you can all have a look. For about 30 minutes, I was serious about making a Kickstarter for the dice alone. But then I realized: "Who is going to buy into custom dice when they don't have a game for them?"

This led me to the conclusion that I should create the "Design Asset" on TGC so that people can SEE the "design" and MAYBE use it to create one or more games for these dice.

The dice have simple RULES that help distinguish and understand the rolls. I have to produce the samples (photos) and cut-file (SVG) for the dice. It's going to take some time until I get samples and TRY them out.

You'll see when I am done... With the DESIGNs. They are very SPECIFIC. I'm actually surprised on how I REMEMBER the "details" of the dice so vividly... Usually I remember certain aspects but to "reproduce" what I have seen is impossible. In this case, I remember quite well the way the dice look and their RULES. Like I said, I'm a bit surprised as to how well I can remember the dice...

I think it's because the LAST "detail" from the dream was me holding up one of the dice in my hand and LOOKING at it. And that image explains how the dice look and what rules they follow. And I also remember the GAME for which the dice were designed for... I looked it up and found that they use NORMAL D6s... Which is WEIRD because in MY dream they were using "Dual Dice"!

Yeah it sounds a bit mysterious... But when I design the DICE and show samples... You'll better understand. I'm being "VAGUE" for a reason... Once I make the "archive" and make it available, you'll be able to see samples of two dice.

In any event, I don't see anyone using these dice immediately. But much like Fudge/Fate Dice or an extra D6 in a poly set, I plan to make these dice available to all... The DESIGN is pretty cool. And the RULES are pretty simple too. But you may not GET that it's a STANDARD D6 ... Unless you are told or explained how the dice work.

Like I said, they're pretty NEAT! Never seen anything like them before.

Note #1: I may simply make some dice and promote them for the game that I saw using the dice. IDK. But because these are DESIGNER dice ... You might looking at the dice NOT understand how they work. That's why I said you need one or more games USING these dice and their odds/statistics ... Once this is accomplished... Maybe then I can make a Kickstarter for the dice.

Right now, although the dice are REALLY COOL looking, there's no NEED for them ATM. So because of this, no doubt in my mind the KS would fail as people would not understand where the dice can be used!

No understanding = no adoption = failed KS.

So I'm going with "Designer Assets" on TGC. I've got some extra ideas about the dice working the day yesterday... They are unique and pretty cool too!

Note #2: Also remember that I had to "Fudge/Fix" the dice layouts because there was an "imperfection" also. Also I said the "dream" was only part of the inspiration, I have seen other dice that behave similarly (but for another purpose entirely - nothing like "Dual Dice")...

And it's optimized my Mean = 2.0 and NOW the dice use EVEN more popular odds/distribution. And still, there is a Mean = 1.5 however TBH I don't really think the Mean will be of any value. But the 2.0 Mean is really the true BONUS... Giving these dice their purpose!

See that's the thing, I only saw like 1 Face of the "dream die".

And although I understood the RULES, I don't have a clear grasp about all of the other sides (which means "Fudging" is allow - Hahaha)!

From other dice on the market, I also see the difference and how they are in some way similar to "specialty dice" already out there.

As I said, "Fudging" the dice has let to a very interesting result... Can't wait to share these once they are ready for market!

That I've re-worked the dice numerous times to get the "optimal" solution for these dice! And in some case "Fugding" the dice made them better. In fact they are ATM "almost" perfect and serve three (3) distinctive reasons why you should use them:

1. They are 100% compatible with your standard D6s (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6).

2. They offer a 2.0 Mean with the following distribution: (1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3)

3. They allow with a "simple rule", 50/50 odds like a coin toss operation.

This makes Dual Dice better that using your plain old D6s because these dice are like D6s Version 2.0! There is actually no valid reason NOT to use them because they are so versatile...

As you can see a unique Designer Dice. This is the actual PNG file with extra bleed and such to ensure proper printing and cutting (SVG Cut-file).

Seeing the "Design Pattern" now probably explains A LOT! Of course I will see how they look in about 1 months time (when the sample arrives at my doorstep). And naturally, this is only 1 out of 4 Color Schemes for the 1st Set (Set #1).

Note #1: This is a Low-Resolution image but this is about about at 100% size (depending on screen sizes) at 72 DPI.

If anyone wants to TRY to design a game using "standard D6s" with the added 2.0 Mean (1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3) and the 50/50 coin toss... Well just be aware that ATM I am only making these "Dice Design Assets" available from "The Game Crafter" (TGC).

Again, if you want to make prototypes and use TGC to prototype, that would be perfectly acceptable. If you DON'T want to manufacture with TGC but you might still want to use "Dual Dice" ... Well we can maybe negotiate things.

But ATM I am mostly interested in TGC and prototypes using the dice.

Note #1: From the look, I strongly get the impression that the design is "Naval" (like Navy Flags)... That's what it reminds me of. A lot of effort was put into making these dice. I hope that the version I get in the mail next month is "good-to-go"!

I have a Custom Indented ORANGE D6 which is custom (1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3)... And I realize that with "Dual Dice" I no longer need to compromise between having a STANDARD D6 and custom dice. It's literally three (3) Functions into one simple "Design Pattern"!

Anyways I've been "rolling" that Custom D6 ... Because it's served as a HUGE reminder on how to "perfect" the "Dual Dice". Anyhow ... It's cool to have another dice which has also served as inspiration for "Dual Dice".

Cheers all.

Believe me... It took more than the "dream" to design them. But yeah when you see them for the FIRST (1st) time... It's like "Cool!" That's the impression that I got the first time I saw them. And realize that they are not 100% like the dream. This is an adaptation for the moment. Basically how SIMPLE I could make the dice possible... The dice in the dream were VERY SIMILAR ... But I'll keep the differences for a later version (2.0 and 3.0).

True; that makes 100% sense. And again is a simple rule.

Well there is ANOTHER important thing: at "The Game Crafter" you CAN'T embed someone else's game or components. I've reached out to Tavis here on BGDF.com since he is the TGC representative that I deal with. I just got a kudos from him today. The other deal is that I posted on TGC Site Ideas about this "issue". So while I can make the dice accessible to people BUYING (directly - for say a prototype), someone else can't ADD the "Dice Stickers" to their OWN game. And that is a MAJOR blow...

So I added the idea to embed "Resellable" Games or Products. This would open up a "Secondary Market" over at TGC giving Designers the possibility to produce their own "Resellable" products (Stickers, Custom Cut-Outs, etc.) Giving Graphic Designers and Artists a way of making something SOMEONE ELSE can use...

The DUALITY is because (1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3) is a CUSTOM distribution that is used VERY frequently. But still adding a CUSTOM dice just for this option is REALLY POSSIBLE if you really, really, need it. But if it comes with the dice ALREADY... That's all the more powerful. Because you can have NORMAL + CUSTOM + COIN TOSS all in one dice.

And the DUALITY of the dice is Bannered vs. Regular.

The MAJOR issue is the "Secondary Market". If TGC can be convinced to go into that direction... Well then my dice have the possibility of being more popular and INCLUDED in other games... I have like a DOZEN or so combination (color-sets) matching all of the dice available.

But without the "Secondary Market" these dice will need to find A NEW home because I can't produce them for OTHER games.

It's definitely an "interesting discussion" because it makes for a NEW "Feature" (Resellable Products) and it's kind of like a NEW "economy". As I said a "Secondary Market". I think it's COOL ... But then again I'm not the owner or partner in the TGC venture...

That's a discussion that THEY can have... Once I manage to explain it in proper terms (as I did here)!

ALSO ... About your OTHER than "D6 Compatibility"... I've thought about this too... As a LEGACY COMPONENT!!! So the DICE would START OFF Standard D6s and they can get UPGRADES or PENALTIES... Because it's STICKERS (and we'll see how easy they are to put on and take off) you can maybe get away with just sticking it OVER... IDK. But the LEGACY option is still one that can be "explored" further... Making some of your dice STRONGER and other WEAKER (less than standard D6 compatibility)...

Yes this is "interesting"... In a way you could use the dice Top for Attack and Bottom for Defense. But I don't know how "Balanced" the dice would be for that purpose. Here are the outcomes: 3/3, 2/3, 3/1, 2/1, 1/1, 1/0. The Attack side is more "Balanced".

But this is where some "Fudging" occurred. I could have had 2/2 instead of 3/1. However this would lead to the following distribution (1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3)... So I "forced" the 3/1 substitution instead. To get the more BALANCED (1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3)!

The other "aspect" that I mentioned was UPGRADES and PENALTIES. So while the DICE STARTS with a NORMAL D6 configuration... You can play around with the dice to add/remove points as per your game. This was the LEGACY option...

You could say that VALUES BELOW "0" = "0" and then you would have an INTERESTING CRT Dice: (2, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0)

That could be useful too! Especially for CRT rolls... That's also another VIABLE "alternative".

But like you said, there are all kinds of POSSIBILITIES. What matters is HOW "YOU" use Dual Dice!

I think "@let-off studio" idea about Attack/Defense really gets to me... I had never thought about using the VALUE for 2 purposes. And in a way this is real NEAT ... Because ANOTHER Game Designer came up with his/her own reason to be interested in "Dual Dice".

Clearly for him, they represent TWO (2) Distinct value that occur with one single roll...

I really think that's NEAT!

I personally was more like @X3M ... Computing difference between dice, RED vs. WHITE or ALL RED vs. ALL WHITE... A lot of possibilities there too...

And so I agree with BOTH of you... And for different concepts/ideas. It would seem that these dice are VERY "versatile". Know the goal is being able to make them a reality!

Finally feel like my journey has just "re-started" after TW that's taken FOUR (4) Years+ to make.

(P.S.: We are currently in the manufacturing phase, I have yet to proof the 2nd Sample from the manufacturer).

Anyhow... We'll see how things go!

About the various Color Schemes which will be AWESOME! The dice will of course look amazing when you take a look at the various options.

And just to name a few samples such as:

• Kiev
• Lace
• Mutant
• Sunset
• Watermelon
• etc...

The choice will be very INTERESTING once I get the shop properly set-up with a LOGO and stuff like that. I also need to plan to work on "Crystal Heroes" too... But it's ok to take a break too.

This project is very important to me... And I want to get all of the different DICE options "out-there" for people to SEE and imagine how they can use "Dual Dice" in their projects and games!