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Khoril
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I submit you one of my game: Guelphs and Ghibellines.
The game is an hand management for 2 persons, the setting is quite abstract. If I have to compare whit another game I think to Lost Cities by Knizia.

I am available to answer questions (also for the bad English :P )

in attacched the rules and the cards

tnx for the playtest or for reading the rules. I wait comments

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Hi Khoril,

I read your rules and looked at the cards this morning. Thanks for providing both!

I think your rules are well organized - nice job!

I only have a few questions...

If I use Vincenza, and my opponent is forced to "tap" the only columns in which they still have cards, does my oppoent lose their next turn?

Do the rules for playing cards in the Planning Phase apply to cards being played as a result of Parma?

What is Placentia? I can only find one reference to Placentia in the rules, but I am not sure what it means.

In the Resolution Phase, each player has their own discard pile, correct?

Good luck with your design - I think you have a great start here!

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thanks orangebeard!! I

thanks orangebeard!! I reply....

Orangebeard wrote:

If I use Vincenza, and my opponent is forced to "tap" the only columns in which they still have cards, does my oppoent lose their next turn?

yes

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Do the rules for playing cards in the Planning Phase apply to cards being played as a result of Parma?

no, you have to place them on the exact columns.

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What is Placentia? I can only find one reference to Placentia in the rules, but I am not sure what it means.

it's a mistake. now Placentia is Parma :P

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In the Resolution Phase, each player has their own discard pile, correct?

yes

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Khoril wrote: Quote:Do the

Khoril wrote:

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Do the rules for playing cards in the Planning Phase apply to cards being played as a result of Parma?

no, you have to place them on the exact columns.

For example, a red card from the discard pile must be played on a red city? Is that correct?

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yes, after the Parma action,

yes, after the Parma action, if you draw a card with a red number, you have to place it in Padova, the red city.

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Playtest notes and questions

Hi Khoril,

A few new questions after playing...

1) Can a 3 point Conspiracy card be used to remove a 1 point and 2 point card or can it only be used to remove a 3 point card?

2) Does a 3 point Conspiracy card reduce the opponent's Victory points by 3 or does it remove a 3 point card from their Victory point pile? Can it be used to remove a 1 point and/or 2 point card?

3) Is it normal for 1 player to run out of cards in the Resolution phase before the other? In one game, Ghibellines was out of cards in the Resolution phase and Guelphs had 7 cards remaining.

To confirm, during the Planning phase, I play 1 more card in a column or Conspiracy after I have I have refilled my hand for the last time and my deck is exhausted. Is that correct?

I took a few pictures of the game; I will try to post them later this week.

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1/2) with Conspiracy you have to revome exactly a card with the same value; otherwise you cannot make this action.

3) this is the problem. with this system of payment of the cards. I would like to know if for the players it is acceptable.

when you refill the hand and deck is exhausted, in the next turn you can play the last card.

tnx for the playtest. what do you think about the game?

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Overall, I like this game. There is a lot of strategy in both phases and I think there are probably several strategies that could be viable.

I need to play more games, but I am wondering if the first player of the Resolution phase should be randomly determined. I think there might be an advantage to playing first in the Resolution phase, but I am not sure.

Is there a maximum number of cards that can be in a column?

In the game where one player had 7 cards left to play, most of them could not be used as the other player had no cards to target.

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Orangebeard wrote: I think

Orangebeard wrote:

I think there might be an advantage to playing first in the Resolution phase

I want to try different ways to evaluate the game after the planning phase. starts those who have less points / cards / conspiracies?

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Is there a maximum number of cards that can be in a column?

I did not think anything about this.

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In the game where one player had 7 cards left to play, most of them could not be used as the other player had no cards to target.

yes. I think is a good "back mechanics"

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Khoril wrote:I want to try

Khoril wrote:
I want to try different ways to evaluate the game after the planning phase. starts those who have less points / cards / conspiracies?

This may be a statistical question; does the player that plays first in the Resolution phase win a higher percentage of games?

Khoril wrote:
I did not think anything about this.

I don't think a maximum limit is needed. Despite my few playtest games, I think there is too much risk in playing all of your cards in 1 or 2 columns.

Hopefully, more BGDF forum members are playtesting this game. Relative to most of the other games here, this game is very easy to print, learn and play, but has plenty of strategy.

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Playtest notes and questions

Orangebeard wrote:

This may be a statistical question; does the player that plays first in the Resolution phase win a higher percentage of games?

the percentage is about 50/50. but I think that is very important for the perception of the players.

Orangebeard wrote:

I don't think a maximum limit is needed. Despite my few playtest games, I think there is too much risk in playing all of your cards in 1 or 2 columns.

I have to try to stress the system. we never search to play only in a few columns.

I think about a rule: "if a player exhaust the cards during the resolution phase, other player can play 1/2/3 cards and the game end"

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Pictures

Hi Khoril,

I don't have time to playtest again until next week, but as I promised, I have posted my pictures from the playtest in the Images section of the forums.

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great!

great!! tnx!

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