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T hardy
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i couldn't help notice that many designers have trouble finding play testers. so i have come up with the perfect idea for that.
this is a website for designers and most of us are looking to play test our games. so when one designer wants to play test his game, he posts it with (playtest for playtest) in the title. and so when another designer who wants to playtest his own game sees it, they make a deal. he playtests the first designer's game and the fist designer tests his game. this way both the designers have their games playtested. they also get to test a new game and compare it to their one. and everybody wins!
what do you think?

sethvanorden
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I like the idea, but I think

I like the idea, but I think it would be even better if it matched on game length and component complexity and number of play test already done for the game. For example if I have a 15 min micro game with 15 cards needed, I wouldn't want print and play a complex 2-3 hour game that hasn't been play tested and has tons of complex pieces and custom dice.

If you could match it for a similar level game that would perfect. Just my thoughts.

T hardy
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that would be awesome. the

that would be awesome. the designer would then include the game lenght and complexity in the post. or maybe in the title in a short form. for eg. (playtest for playtest)playtesters required for 'Stealth'- a complex board and card game.
or a short dice game or a medium lenght card game.

Masacroso
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And how you can test a game

And how you can test a game with another designer if dont live close to him??? This is a international forum.

I propose the use of some online systems as:
http://www.octgn.net/ (maybe, I dont tested so much)

or something playable from explorer as:
https://app.roll20.net/home
(Some video tutorials and many info here https://wiki.roll20.net/Main_Page)

or the "classic" VASSAL engine:
http://www.vassalengine.org/

If someone have a better online system just say here.

Worldshapers
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Cool Idea!

Im in tell me when you are finnished!

Squinshee
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I think this is a splendid

I think this is a splendid idea.

chriswhite
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The problem is...

I've had ideas like this before. The problem with this is the same reason that you shouldn't pay your playtesters. Namely, when playtesting becomes a commodity, both parties will inherently be inclined to basically exploit each other, even unintentionally.

For example, say that Adam agrees to playtest your game 3 times for balance purposes. However, after the first game, he realizes that he hates it and doesn't want to play it again. But now he's caught between owing you 2 more plays, and his own inclination to not play again. At this point, he might choose to make up some data for those other 2 plays, or rush through them hastily in bad faith.

A lighter example might be something like–– your game takes a long time and requires 4 people, but about halfway through, one of those players gets sick and can't continue. What do they do now? They're committed to playing the game. Or rather (even worse) one of them is committed to making the others play the game. Maybe Adam will make up some numbers based on how he expects the game will turn out...? Maybe they will continue the game with Adam playing 2 sides...?

The unique problem in the case of playtesting is that the absence of data is better than fake data, and in either one of these cases, the quality of the playtest is being compromised because someone is trying to fulfill an obligations. Thus, playtesting under obligation is always risky. Most people would rather violate the integrity of your data than fess up and say they can't do their part on an agreement. That's just how people work, sadly.

For this reason, I think playtesting should always be voluntary (unless it's in-house, and it's your job).

XerxesPraelor
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I'd do it, but I've tried

I'd do it, but I've tried this before, and often the other designer never gets back to me.

T hardy
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My playtest for playtest offer

Hello everyone, sorry for replying so late, but i am coming back to bgdf after a pretty long time. I'm gald to see some of you like my idea!
I have currently gotten pretty far with my game(i guess im somewhere around the alpha phase) and i do need some playtesters.

I am willing to do it by this idea, so if anyone is interested heres some intro about my game; stealth:

OVERWIEW
Built on an intense cop-criminal theme, stealth; a strategy board game, is based on movement planning and strategizing. The strategy aspect is unique as it relates to strategy planning in an encounter. As there are two teams, a cop team and a criminal team, that players assume the role of, players have seperate objectives. You are either a proffesional criminals team trying to execute your crime at a location and escape or you are the team of elite cops trying to kill the team of criminals before they do their crime and escape. The game is played on three maps/three phases where each map/phase has a continuing storyline and a different gameplay.

DETAILSs:
Ages - 12+
Game Length - 60 to 90 minutes(the game is played in three phases making the adventure lenght 60-90 mins but if you wish to play one game/phase it can be played in 20-30 minutes)
No. of players - Min. - 2 Max. - 6

FILES/LINKS
Rulebook
Print and Play
HOW TO PLAY video
TGC Game Page
Brief(conceptual) rules

SOME THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BEFORE I PLAYTEST YOUR GAME
How many pages would i have to print?
What would i have to provide myself?
Anything in particular you would like me to review/focus on?

SOME THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BEFORE YOU PLAYTEST MY GAME
How many pages would you have to print?
Maximum 12, minimum 2 - the PnP pdf has printing options written on the last pages

What would you have to provide yourself?
6 pawns.(or anything you can use to move around on the board)

Anything in particular i would like you to review/focus on?
Game complexity, are the rules easy to understand? how did you like the game?

INTERESTED? POST A REPLY HERE OR EMAIL ME tarang.hardikar@yahoo.co.in

Thanks and cheers!

Tbone
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Links do not work

Maybe its just me but I can't access the files you've posted

T hardy
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Tbone wrote:Maybe its just me

Tbone wrote:
Maybe its just me but I can't access the files you've posted

Sorry! I don't know how that happened I thought I had put the right code.

Here are the links:

Rulebook
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7ka7212fmr5b2lq/AABjl2i7CfZjEFCCZsv61V3Va?dl=0

Print and Play
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gc4r742gqlv5t4s/Stealth%20PnP%20version%202.0....

HOW TO PLAY video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKV6mV8TK6k

Game Page
https://www.thegamecrafter.com/games/stealth

Brief (conceptual) Rules
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1239478/stealth-cop-criminal-themed-stra...

Thanks!

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