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tony5518
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I want to tell/discuss everything about how to get real and direct costing from mainland Chinese factory.
The manufacturing viability of a product when you want to develope your board game.
Also I want to tell every process about import from China.
Also how to establish direct relation and cooperation with Chinese manufacturer smoothly in order for all not to feel much risk and go on all steps of projects.
Also how to get lower exploiting charge about board game.
All topics about board game manufacture in Chiese factory are welcome

tony5518
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recommendation of direct Chinese manufacturer

This Chinese manufacturer are willing to take part in discussion of any topic about manufacturing and export/inport and service directly from China.
www.cnxh-cn.com

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i would say one area i'm

i would say one area i'm fuzzy on is costs and fees associated with importing/exporting, and overseas shipping- how much the costs scale compared to unit costs, etc.

tony5518
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normall shipping cost if import from China

usually for a board game,you could think the shipping cost by sea to USA or Europt will be estimatedly USD0.3/set or so.
This( www.cnxh-cn.com ) company specialize in game parts,print,cut,and all about boarg game,card game,mahjong,bingo series,etc. No matter wood tokens,zinc alloy tokens,custom plastic tokens,Dice, Chips, Pawns, Card Stands, sand timers,and many other traditional and unique game parts,this company could do it all.
Also,this company could do print,the final assembling. This company main foucs is manufacturing of board game,card game, so they have great experience in this industry directly from China.
They know CPSIA,ASTM F 963,En 71-2008 well.
they web site is:

www.cnxh-cn.com

They are a manufacturer and exporter in board game,card game line. They could solve issue related with game parts,print,cut,assembling,exporting and importing,etc.

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wood token and shipping issue

Sounds good!
I am looking to source some wooden tokens for a game. circle, square, triangle, octagon, in plain unpainted wood.
Can you make custom wooden pieces to my own design?
how much approx would the shipping rates for 50,000 wooden tokens be?
Also, can you do full set game project including custom tokens,print,even assembling? What 's your MOQ?

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don't worry about any manufacturing issue

Alexeii wrote:
Sounds good!
I am looking to source some wooden tokens for a game. circle, square, triangle, octagon, in plain unpainted wood.
Can you make custom wooden pieces to my own design?
how much approx would the shipping rates for 50,000 wooden tokens be?
Also, can you do full set game project including custom tokens,print,even assembling? What 's your MOQ?

Alexeii,
From your message,I know maybe you don't know much about manufacturing.Let's tell you manufactuing in short words. Please you don't worry about any manufacturing about game parts,print,etc. No matter wood parts,plastic tokens,zinc alloy game parts, 4- color process print,UV print,etc. You please pay attetion to your game ideas and design. then tell us your ideas and specification for all components. We could solve any manufacturing about board game,card game directly from our China.
Normally,very small exploiting charge for wood tokens. for plastic and zinc alloy tokens,there will be mould charge. plastic token need plastic injection moulds. Zinc alloy tokens need die casting moulds.These moulds is normally complex,and will need higher price. So if small order quantity,we suggest you wood tokens although it's a little high price than plastic tokens.
Even for wood token,if 3 D figures,they need be made by CNC. It's price will be a little higher than simple wood tokens.
............
So much knowledge of manufacturing. so please you needn't pay much attention to manufacturing question. You please tell one manufacturer as us your full ideas and desing of your board game. Based on our great experience in manufacturing line,our manufacturing abilitys are quite broad, including plastic molding, printing, die casting, textiles, vacuum forming and heat sealing, and other manufacturing processes. According to your game ideas and design and specification for all game components,we will and seriously and carefully evaluate the product to be produced, to determine the best material and manufacturing method to utilize. We offer suggestions on how to produce your product faster, cheaper, and with better quality.

Xinghui Industry co., ltd. is a direct and real Chinese manufacturer and exporter specialized in manufacturing about board game,card game. You please directly contact them at followiing contact way for detailed correspondance about your full set of your game.

Tony
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Xinghui Industry Co., Ltd.
Ningbo New Century Imp. & Exp. Co., Ltd.
Business Tel: 0086-13245650768 0086-574-87892519 Fax: 0086-574-88255396
E-mail: tony-chinastar@163.com tonyz@cnxh-cn.com
MSN: tony-chinesestar@hotmail.com Yahoo message: tony5518@yahoo.cn
Add: #401,No.28, Yongjingyuan, North of Shiqi Road,
Yinzhou District, Ningbo, Zhejiang, China
Http://www.cnxh-cn.com

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say who?

Tony -

Are you writing in English or using a translator? I have suspicions that your real name isn't Tony...

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write in English by myself,smooth correspondance with written en

Traz wrote:
Tony -

Are you writing in English or using a translator? I have suspicions that your real name isn't Tony...

Traz,
Are you writing in English or using a translator? I have suspicions that your real name isn't Tony...[/quote]

Tony is my real English name.I could write in english by myself.I'm in this manufacturing field about 15 years. a sales from Xinghui industry co., ltd. located in east coast of China,Ningbo city of China.

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Does it really matter?

Does it really matter what name the man uses to post messages on a message board? My name isn't Black Canyon, but is that OK because my grammar and spelling are fine?

Tony is actually trying to do a great service, both to us designers and to his company. He's taken the time to seek out business opportunities using his knowledge of the English language. I'm sure not all manufacturing companies in China are able to do this, so he is a boon to his own company. And I can guarantee that there are very few English speaking game designers who are proficient enough in Mandarin or Wu (Shanghianese), the predominant language around Ningbo City, to be able to conduct business with a Chinese manufacturing company.

I think it's a great chance to learn about these kind of companies from someone who works there instead of second hand stories from who knows where.

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Tony is AWESOME

tony5518 wrote:
Traz wrote:
Tony -

Are you writing in English or using a translator? I have suspicions that your real name isn't Tony...

Traz,
Are you writing in English or using a translator? I have suspicions that your real name isn't Tony...

Tony is my real English name.I could write in english by myself.I'm in this manufacturing field about 15 years. a sales from Xinghui industry co., ltd. located in east coast of China,Ningbo city of China.[/quote]

I have had quality communication with both Tony and his counterpart Julia. I have been very pleased with them both so far in the production process for Homesteaders and Terra Prime. I should be receiving the first fruits of the manufacturing process soon.

I also know that they manufactured Galaxy's Edge for ASSA Games.

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Tony et al

OK - I accept the endorsements. I don't know the smiley for tongue-in-cheek....

They are occasional topics of conversation - the 'interesting English' we encounter in manuals written in the Orient, and the 'Bobs' and 'Susans' we talk to who claim to live in Iowa doing tech service but who speak with a severe Philipino or Indian accent.

I never understood this practice - why hide who you are? What makes the company think we care? If they are able to answer my questions and help solve my problems then they earned their money and more power to them. I don't balk at talking to other designers who live in places all the world - why should I balk at doing business with folk out-of-town or out-of-the-country?

I certainly expect them to do business with me! Good for the goose and all that.

I am left curious - if Tony is your real 'English name' as you say, what is your real 'non-English name'? Traz is just a handle I use on the net after a book character. My real name is Chester - no secret there. It was my grandfather's name and it suits me just fine.

No offense intended - just a pet peeve. It ticks me off to run across Ranjit in Bombay who is instructed to present himself as Bob from Seattle. It always seems demeaning to both of us.

You say your name is Tony and others here back you up - that's good enough for me. But it does throw me off when you present yourself as Chinese - or a Chinese representative - that writes in that 'off-English'. I've never understood why US businesses [or perhaps State by State Trade Commissions] don't provide 'translators' to make business more seamless between the countries. It would be better for both of us if you got your ideas across clearly and we didn't have to interpret.

Goodness knows I could NEVER produce anything in a foreign language that wouldn't cause a native to spew coffee through their nose when reading it....

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Traz, I can answer that

Traz,

I can answer that question for you easily enough. I was once engaged to a girl from China, from Yunnan Province, and spent some time over there. My wife also happens to be from Thailand, while a different country, shares this thing in common with China.

Those that learn to speak English and do speak it with westerners ALL adopt an English name. Why? Because us westerners are unique talented at butchoring their native names when trying to speak them. I did better than most, but then I had time to get used to them and had motivation to want to try. But man, you should see how badly folks around here say my Wife's native name...some of them are so far off base you would almost think they were trying to be offensive on purpose.

So for most folks from over there, its just easier to adopt an English name when dealing with English speaking folks.

Ryan S. Johnson
Guild of Blades Retail Group - http://www.gobretail.com
Guild of Blades Publishing Group - http://www.guildofblades.com
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If . . .

. . . you like living in a part of the world that has pretty much perfected cultural imperialism, you kind of have to live with the fact that it works.

;)

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Doing business overseas

My job took me to live in Japan a few years ago. I ended up spending almost a year there. I studied Japanese before I left. When I got there I went to an "immersion" course where I had to find my own way on the subway, mail a letter, order food from a menu (the one without the pictures), find the bathroom, etc.

Let me tell you it was a humbling experience. Each day as I wandered back to my nine square meter "apartment" I usually had a headache from hearing it in Japanese, translating to English in my head, figuring out the response in English, then translating it into Japanese in my head before actually saying anything back that was remotely understandable in Japanese. I did this all day long, although less on weekends. Finally, they paired me up with Mr Suzuki, who was going to live in Canada for a few years. I helped him with his English and he helped me with my Japanese. He was a faster learner than me, I think. When I left Japan I could read well enough to occasionally understand the headline of the newspaper. I could speak it better than I could read it - thankfully - and I would occasionally have fun by jumping into a conversation between two Japanese talking about me and answering them in Japanese. Embarassment crosses the language barrier :-)

Before I went to Japan, I thought - if they want to do business in America, then they better speak good English. After I got back, I had a lot more understanding and patience for foreigners trying to do business with me in English. Their English just has to be good enough for me to understand it so we can get the job done.

Chinese and Japanese are fairly similar in some respects, so someone from China attempting to communicate in English faces the same challenges that I did, I would think.

And as for cultural imperialism, it's true that American culture is all over the globe. But I think we have the British Empire (India, Middle East, Africa, North America, Hong Kong, Australia and numerous other territories over the last few centuries) to thank for spreading English as the de facto world language, not Hollywood.

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same-oh, same-oh...

Ryan, Steve,

All good points, and I agree with it all. I understand about adopting an English name - that totally makes sense. If I can't pronounce it, it wouldn't make any sense NOT to... hadn't thought about it that way, but as soon as you explained it, it made total sense. I just have the pet peeve as mentioned previously where the companies that hire abroad tell their overseas employees to pretend they're American. Makes me crazy.

I will make you this suggestion, Tony - ask folks here to clean up your English. We'd be happy to help!

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for example-

tony5518 wrote:
Tony is my real English name.I could write in english by myself.I'm in this manufacturing field about 15 years. a sales from Xinghui industry co., ltd. located in east coast of China,Ningbo city of China.

Tony is my real English name - my Chinese name is unpronounceable in English. I can write in English by myself. I've been working in the game manufacturing business for about 15 years as a sales rep from Xinghui Industry Company, LTD. We're located on the east coast of China in Ningbo City.

You see?

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bluepantherllc wrote: And as

bluepantherllc wrote:

And as for cultural imperialism, it's true that American culture is all over the globe. But I think we have the British Empire (India, Middle East, Africa, North America, Hong Kong, Australia and numerous other territories over the last few centuries) to thank for spreading English as the de facto world language, not Hollywood.

I wasn't excluding the Brits ;)

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my story

Traz wrote:
tony5518 wrote:
Tony is my real English name.I could write in english by myself.I'm in this manufacturing field about 15 years. a sales from Xinghui industry co., ltd. located in east coast of China,Ningbo city of China.

Tony is my real English name - my Chinese name is unpronounceable in English. I can write in English by myself. I've been working in the game manufacturing business for about 15 years as a sales rep from Xinghui Industry Company, LTD. We're located on the east coast of China in Ningbo City.

You see?


I see. Thanks for your good english. I will learn from you.
I have seriously read all above inf. you all has talked about.It's really interesting. In our country all persons will use their english name when they have correspondance with foreigner.
I 'm 41 old, as you all maybe know,30 years ago,China was a very very poor country. I remember I had no chance to learn English when I was a pupil. That time,Government started to ask Teachers to teach english in school,lbut very little Teachers could speak english. Also that time almost all family had no enough money to buy rocorder to help us with studying english.
From 1976,under the correct leadship of our great leader of Mr. Deng Xiao Peng,China began to seriously consider how to build our country with a reasaonalbe and scientific direction.The generation of us caught up the study trend of that time. However this generation of us have not better english than the current generation.
Definitedly I could tell you that smooth correspondance between me and you could be available. Why? Firstly I know english. Secondly, translator soft could help us with something some time. THirdly,the experience and knowledge in manufacturing will be more important than English. As a matter fact,we have been doing good correspondance with all our foreigne clients these years thru emails. All our clients are really patient and kind. We love them. We always try our best to work with them. We know every idea between us. Meanwhile,we study english from the corresponcanse from them. When our foreigh clients email us,definitedly We will know them well becasue our experience in this industry........
Thanks for all your opinions,and help. We are willing to answer you any question about manufacturing in board game industry and costing. Let's try our best all the time!

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just a question

Tony -
Do you ever work with the folks at PANDAHALL - the bead folks?

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Traz wrote:Tony - Do you ever

Traz wrote:
Tony -
Do you ever work with the folks at PANDAHALL - the bead folks?

No,but we do bone beads in our own factory as shown in our online catalogue at our websit of www.cnxh-cn.com. Some times we purchase acrylic and wood beads from our sister factory in other Chinese city 200 miles away from our city. There are a great number of factory and wholesalers in that city. I think all kinds of beads in the world could be available in that market. Also the price for these beads is very very cheap.

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Bad English is far better than No English...

My collage roomate was Korean and emigrated to the US when he was 12... he picked an American first name when he moved here and his Korean name became his middle name. He picked the name Aaron because his parents couldn't pronounce it. I spent a lot of time translating his papers into proper English, but his ideas were always sound.

I have a Russian language minor. My Russian is horendous: bad word order, tenses, and conjugations etc... The times that I've been around native speekers I could comminucate and interact with them, because bad Russian is better than no Russian.

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no find 'um beads....

Tony -
Looked at your website, but didn't find any beads. Check the beads on this page of my rulebook -

http://www.bgdf.com/node/2008

- you got anything like these?

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Also Communication Improves

I have also noticed that my communication with Tony and Julia has improved. For example, if I see an often used English phrase to mean something that I would phrase differently, then I can help by adapting an English to English translation.

The importance is getting the communication correct for the purpose of accomplishing the goal. In this case, manufacturing games. There is not necessarily a need for nuanced communication. In fact, I would be inclined to argue that nuanced communication could lead to an increase in communication problems.

For example, how many people do you know that also have English as a native language, yet get frustrated at the difficultly of commincating?

Michael

tony5518 wrote:
Traz wrote:
tony5518 wrote:
Tony is my real English name.I could write in english by myself.I'm in this manufacturing field about 15 years. a sales from Xinghui industry co., ltd. located in east coast of China,Ningbo city of China.

Tony is my real English name - my Chinese name is unpronounceable in English. I can write in English by myself. I've been working in the game manufacturing business for about 15 years as a sales rep from Xinghui Industry Company, LTD. We're located on the east coast of China in Ningbo City.

You see?


I see. Thanks for your good english. I will learn from you.
I have seriously read all above inf. you all has talked about.It's really interesting. In our country all persons will use their english name when they have correspondance with foreigner.
I 'm 41 old, as you all maybe know,30 years ago,China was a very very poor country. I remember I had no chance to learn English when I was a pupil. That time,Government started to ask Teachers to teach english in school,lbut very little Teachers could speak english. Also that time almost all family had no enough money to buy rocorder to help us with studying english.
From 1976,under the correct leadship of our great leader of Mr. Deng Xiao Peng,China began to seriously consider how to build our country with a reasaonalbe and scientific direction.The generation of us caught up the study trend of that time. However this generation of us have not better english than the current generation.
Definitedly I could tell you that smooth correspondance between me and you could be available. Why? Firstly I know english. Secondly, translator soft could help us with something some time. THirdly,the experience and knowledge in manufacturing will be more important than English. As a matter fact,we have been doing good correspondance with all our foreigne clients these years thru emails. All our clients are really patient and kind. We love them. We always try our best to work with them. We know every idea between us. Meanwhile,we study english from the corresponcanse from them. When our foreigh clients email us,definitedly We will know them well becasue our experience in this industry........
Thanks for all your opinions,and help. We are willing to answer you any question about manufacturing in board game industry and costing. Let's try our best all the time!

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experience more important than english

The importance is getting the communication correct for the purpose of accomplishing the goal. In this case, manufacturing games. There is not necessarily a need for nuanced communication. In fact, I would be inclined to argue that nuanced communication could lead to an increase in communication problems.

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All the time I think the manufacturing experience is really much more important than english. Good english is important,but I found some persons hardly serve our client and do anything about offering and solving any manufacturing problems although they have reaLLY GOOD ENGLISH. But although some person's english is not good enough to have a very smooth communication,they understand our client's ideas immediatedly upon receipt of files and requirements from our clients. then they could arrange everything and answer and serve our clients under english translation soft. Also the projects managed by him is better than those persons with good english.

All the time,I ask my sales that they firstly must go to our workshop to seriously know every process of manufacturing and it's costs. As to english,they should study step by step all the time when their doing sales.
Definitely I think the experience and thoughts and responsibility are more important than english only. but everyone need try to study more english all the time when they doing sales.

Almost everytime for every project, there will be much unanticipated occurance of diffculty and problems.Good english couldn't solve these problems. Only experience and thoughts and responsibility could solve them.

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these beads is from China

Traz wrote:
Tony -
Looked at your website, but didn't find any beads. Check the beads on this page of my rulebook -

http://www.bgdf.com/node/2008

- you got anything like these?

As i have told you there are very big wholesale and super market 200 miles away from my Ningbo city. Almost all bead factory in China have booth on a street of that city.Wood beads,acrylic beads,plastic beads,ceramic beads,pearl beads,metal beads,etc. are available. Also open moulds for them.
From your blog,I think your beads are plastic beads made by plastic moulds and with special color manufacturing process.
I don't know how is your project going now.If interested,please email us your detailed specification sheet for your complete project. Our suggestion for material and everything,and direct costing will be available.
As for beads,because we are not specialized in bead manufacturing.We will call our friends in that city for real costs. Later if order confirmed we will personally drive to that city to source suitable beads on that market.

You could find this company's detailed contact on the websit of www.cnxh-cn.com

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Did Tasty Minstrel end up

Did Tasty Minstrel end up using this service for their games because I know that there was some quality issues with their games and I don't want to leave this article open without any testimonals of how the quality of this service is. Just a thought...

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Yes, TMG used them for the

Yes, TMG used them for the first run of both Homesteaders and Terra Prime. There were production issues, including not following our instructions on which materials to use for some components, and some serious misalignment on the mounting of the tiles (which in turn resulted in diecutting issues). I'll let Michael comment in more detail.

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Hello, I am really

Hello,

I am really agree with you that Chinese manufacturer are very good. In my point of view they do work really very well and they used to build these types of wooden games.

Thanks!!

_______

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Xinghui did 4 games for

Xinghui did 4 games for Minion Games and 1 for Mayday Games and they are all low-quality crap. Well maybe not that bad but they are all mis-alligned cards and mostier problems and they used regular art paper instead of card stock to make the games which is part of the reason for their low ball pricing. They promised many times to not worry about it and they'd have it right - yet they wern't. They talk well enough and are always fast to reply, but the quality of their products is sub-par at best. Please please don't use them!

James
http://www.MinionGames.com

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rpghost wrote:
Xinghui did 4 games for Minion Games and 1 for Mayday Games and they are all low-quality crap. Well maybe not that bad but they are all mis-alligned cards and mostier problems and they used regular art paper instead of card stock to make the games which is part of the reason for their low ball pricing. They promised many times to not worry about it and they'd have it right - yet they wern't. They talk well enough and are always fast to reply, but the quality of their products is sub-par at best. Please please don't use them!

James
http://www.MinionGames.com

Hi James, if you want to try some other companies in China. We can be one of the options. We are very serious about the quality, although our price level is Chinese. Interested? please contact me at info@longpack.com

Ning Pan

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rpghost wrote:Xinghui did 4

rpghost wrote:
Xinghui did 4 games for Minion Games and 1 for Mayday Games and they are all low-quality crap. Well maybe not that bad but they are all mis-alligned cards and mostier problems and they used regular art paper instead of card stock to make the games which is part of the reason for their low ball pricing. They promised many times to not worry about it and they'd have it right - yet they wern't. They talk well enough and are always fast to reply, but the quality of their products is sub-par at best. Please please don't use them!

James
http://www.MinionGames.com

Hi James,

If you want to find an alternative board game manufacturer in China, please contact us longpack. We are very serious about the quality.

Regards,

Ning Pan

LongPack Co., Ltd.
www.longpack.com

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