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Nak Muay: Sharing ideas for a Muay Thai card game

I wonder how this is best done? Aside from the rather interesting way that MT bouts are scored (but that should, I think, be part of the game) my feeling is this would be a bidding fest.

Rounds perhaps divided into 10 sections.

Choose your attack for the first section (body kick, elbows, etc). Present attack with a bid.
Best bid succeeds and scores/ damages

Attacks have 2 different ranges: outside or clinch. E.g. Kicks would be outside, knees would be clinch range.
A reversible card on the table reminds players what the present range is.
Attacks with that range gain a bonus on top of the bid.
Winning attack defines range for next bid.

Punches don't get a bonus based on range, but instead they have their own inherent efficacy bonuses. Winning a punch attack allows you to choose the range for the next bid.

Bids come in different types
Low bids (1-3) can be retrieved if the bid fails. [A Naga design reminds us which cards are considered to be of this type]
High bids (4-6) cannot [A Garuda design]

2 bid cards are played together in one bidding round

It's possible to use a special bid as your second bid card. These are:

Tiger - holds the same value as the accompanying bid card. However, it invites an exchange of blows rather than exclusive success (if that makes sense?)

Hanuman - gives an extra 2 points to the bid, but must be played with a Garuda card. It upgrades the quality of the attack...they hurt more if successful.

Managing stamina and gassing out:

Garuda bids and successful Naga bids are spent from the players hand and must be retrieved if they are to be reused.

A player cannot retrieve a bid card the value of which is greater than the total number of bid cards left in his hand.

Hence, careful management of power is important.

My feeling is there needs to be another core mechanic at work in this game. Possibly an imaginative use of the score sheet might be important. I'm trying to avoid the game becoming too sprawling. Clash of Steel for example attempts a similar kind of strategic battle, but I don't think the layout and pace gives the feel I want. On the other hand, Yomi doesn't quite give the sense of the fight as a gruelling campaign - which it should be if it's MT!

Thoughts, comments, criticisms all welcome. I would dearly value some experience to go along with my inexperienced trial and error approach!

Thanks. :)

Comments

Perhaps an essential extra

Perhaps an essential extra dimension could come from something akin to a deck of 'event' cards where before each round of bidding, a card is turned which gives some extra outcome to a successful bid.

For example:
"If you win this bid with a Hanuman card and head kick, you'll get instant KO"
Or
"A successful elbow this bid will open a cut"

This would add some luck and chaos into preceding - which I had been working hard to avoid, but which I now suspect might be a very good thing.

It would also allow a whole variety of thematically appropriate outcomes to be represented in the game without making the rules complex. This has been the main issue I've wrestled with. How to get the essential features of a MT bout into a game with only minimal rules.

Thirdly, it would act as a timer for the round. When we've been through 10 cards, the round is over.

Perhaps the composition of the deck could also be player directed - each player chooses X number of cards which get shuffled together. Or maybe even something less random...food for thought.

I'm excited about exploring this mechanic now....it feels right.

Muay Thai's interesting scoring system

Unlike boxing or American kickboxing, MT doesn't work by simply winning or losing rounds. How you win the rounds and WHICH rounds are a factor. Tony Myers has written some fascinating pieces on the 'narrative' nature of MT scoring.

It would be a pitty not to have that reflected in this game.

At present, the smoothest way I have devised of reflecting how MT judges work is this:

First 2 rounds....rounds drawn unless knock down (successful strikes are recorded but not used at this point)

Round 3...most and best strikes scores 10:9 or 10:8 with KD, etc...(like a normal boxing round essentially)

Round 4...number of hits from round 3 carries over, so loser of round 3 might work hard to win round 4!

Round 5...hit count doesn't carry over. If there is a loser by total ROUND points so far (10:9 + 8:10 for example) he must get KO. If result so far is a draw, round 5 score decides the fight. If round 5 also a draw, hit count from ALL the rounds (including 1 + 2) are added to find the winner.

I was very excited to learn about genuine MT scoring. It deepened my appreciation of the theme and has given a whole extra strategic dimension to the game...without adding complexity to the actual mechanics of play.

Cheers!

I should add, the system I

I should add, the system I have described is not "genuine MT scoring", but an attempt to capture its essence in an easily calculable way.

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