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Fri, 07/15/2005 - 06:43

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1. Don't think Darke has implemented the points thing.

2. The dice etc., are the level markers that you get with a certain number of postings. I think you get to six-sided die when you hit 20 posts? I've been stuck on the d20 for ages because you need 1000+ to get to the next level and I'm not quite there yet, though the latest Game Design Showdown (unsubtle plug) is going to help ;-)

3. Smilies have been "broken" for a while.

Not very helpful, but I'm sure Darke will be along in a while to explain it further...

Fri, 07/15/2005 - 07:30

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I didn't know about the points thing.

You are flip a coin until:
4-sided die : at 40 posts
6-sided die : 60
8-sided die : 80
10-sided die : 100

See the pattern? :)

It's true that smilies don't show an image. Are they broken? I like them better that way personnally.

Fri, 07/15/2005 - 09:29

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hpox wrote:

I didn't know about the points thing.

You are flip a coin until:
4-sided die : at 40 posts
6-sided die : 60
8-sided die : 80
10-sided die : 100

See the pattern? :)

It's true that smilies don't show an image. Are they broken? I like them better that way personnally.

Smilies were disabled because, of...well....something. Can't remember what. Yeah points aren't implemented, nor will they ever be.

-Darke

Fri, 07/15/2005 - 09:49

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hpox wrote:

You are flip a coin until:
4-sided die : at 40 posts
6-sided die : 60
8-sided die : 80
10-sided die : 100

See the pattern? :).
In that case, I demand a 90-sided die, because I'm too impatient to wait for the percentile ones.

;-)

Fri, 07/15/2005 - 10:48

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What smilies?

Fri, 07/15/2005 - 11:59

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Scurra wrote:

hpox wrote:
You are flip a coin until:
4-sided die : at 40 posts
6-sided die : 60
8-sided die : 80
10-sided die : 100

See the pattern? :).
In that case, I demand a 90-sided die, because I'm too impatient to wait for the percentile ones.

;-)

Scurra,

I hate to tell you this, but you've hit the ceiling at 20 sided die. I only implemented it up to 20.. Sorry.

-M

Fri, 07/15/2005 - 17:29

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sedjtroll have a percentile die but there's no image showing.

Fri, 07/15/2005 - 18:28

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I'd like to have my die image turned off permanently.

Fri, 07/15/2005 - 18:40

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This mean that in a year or two we are all going to be D20. You could use multiple dices ( max 3 dices) for higher ranks without needing to upload new dices. For example

240 -> 2D12
300 -> 3D10
360 -> 3D12
400 -> 2D20
600 -> 3D20

For the participation points, they could get handy when the wiki will be up.

Fri, 07/15/2005 - 19:58

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Larienna wrote:

This mean that in a year or two we are all going to be D20.

That's not actually true: if you look at the members list, you'll see that barely 20 people are at 200 posts or more (including the rogue "OldScurra" who came about as a result of a problem with my account!)
So I don't think that's going to be a major issue; it actually makes the d20 badge more prestigious. Or summat.

Fri, 07/15/2005 - 22:35

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Nando wrote:

I'd like to have my die image turned off permanently.

Ask Darke for a tag, such as mine: "Hobbyist Designer". That will replace the die.

Sat, 07/16/2005 - 02:15

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Thanks everyone !

As I see, I've posted only 20 messages so far. I need more posts to reach the 40-mark. (I'm glad I achieved my Avatar in BGG today !!)

Suggestion :
what if an FAQ put below the Contributions title (on the left panel)? Or at least there's an explanation about the die (and coin).

But it's just me or...
isn't the flip coin better? the coin is moving but the die aren't ! :)

Mon, 07/18/2005 - 16:45

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JackDarwid wrote:

But it's just me or...
isn't the flip coin better? the coin is moving but the die aren't ! :)

I would really prefer that as few images as possible be animated. Animated images are cool when you want to look at them, but they continue to distract my eye and attention when I'm trying to read the site's content.

Mon, 07/18/2005 - 19:37

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I came up with another idea for the dices. Since the number of post are already shown, the dice is just a duplicate information. So why not use the dice face to represent the average number of post per year. It will somewhat represent how much active the user is on the forum. Here how to proceed:

First check if the user has been on the forum for more than 365 day, if not, use the total number of post as it works now.

If the user exist for more than 365 days, follow the procedures:

For this example, I'll use a user with 300 post that exist for 800 days.

1- Count the number of years he has been existed
800 / 365 = 2.19 years

2- Count the average number of post per year
300 / 2.19 = 136 post

This mean that for this user, we will show D12. If the user does not post anything else the next following year, it will give the following average

300 / 3.19 = 94 post

In this case he will drop to D8.

This mean that a user must have to following post rate to get each dice rank:

1 post for each
D4 -> 9.1 days
D6 -> 6.0 days
D8 -> 4.5 days
D10 -> 3.6 days
D12 -> 3.0 days
D20 -> 1.8 days

So what do you think. The implementation could be fairly easy, it's just adding some math.

Mon, 07/18/2005 - 19:49

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But why change it? I always thought that the way they have it now is cool, straight forward and very related to the site (b/c of the dice) I guess I just don't see a need for the change, but that's just my 2 cents.

Shrike

Tue, 07/19/2005 - 09:21

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Shrike wrote:

But why change it? I always thought that the way they have it now is cool, straight forward and very related to the site (b/c of the dice) I guess I just don't see a need for the change, but that's just my 2 cents.

Shrike

Agreed..
Plus we don't want to waste any time on this site, as we are working getting a new site ready.

-Darke

Tue, 07/19/2005 - 23:15

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Darkehorse wrote:

Shrike wrote:
But why change it? I always thought that the way they have it now is cool, straight forward and very related to the site (b/c of the dice) I guess I just don't see a need for the change, but that's just my 2 cents.

Shrike

Agreed..
Plus we don't want to waste any time on this site, as we are working getting a new site ready.

-Darke

Wait a minute ...
A new site ? You mean this site will be abandoned, and we move to anoher one ?
Why is that ? If the content/the 'spirit' is the same, why not just 'upgrade' this site ?
By having a new site, you have to start all over again (including promoting etc)
But if that is your decision, when it will be ? in a short or long time ?
I'm just curious :)

Tue, 07/19/2005 - 23:39

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The content will move over, but the software is completely different, so there's no real reason to be modifying the software here (much) when we could be working on the new site.

Of course, Michael might reset post counts now that I've passed him again. :)

-- Matthew

Tue, 07/19/2005 - 23:42

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I post at a different forum,
completely different subject of course,

and they have special forum topics that only those with
a high post amount and high points can enter.

high posting# is just to ensure that they are not a person that
just walked in fresh.

high point# can be earned when you donate cool things
like wall papers, video clips (it's all about video clips)
links, and other stuff.

ofcourse there is a memebership one too where you can just
pay to get in and access some goodies like instructionals.

Wed, 07/20/2005 - 00:05

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Here I think we'll continue to work hard to make all information available to everyone. There is some bit of meritocracy: if you want a game in the Game Design Workshop, for example, you need to help other people with their games. But overall, I'm sure we're going to keep it open. I don't speak for the site's owner, DarkeHorse, but I'm pretty certain he's of the same mind.

-- Matthew

Wed, 07/20/2005 - 09:31

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FastLearner wrote:

Here I think we'll continue to work hard to make all information available to everyone. There is some bit of meritocracy: if you want a game in the Game Design Workshop, for example, you need to help other people with their games. But overall, I'm sure we're going to keep it open. I don't speak for the site's owner, DarkeHorse, but I'm pretty certain he's of the same mind.

-- Matthew

Agreed.... One of the things that WILL change with the new site is that game 'ideas' will definitely go in journals, and not in the open forums. I want people to be able to discuss their game ideas, but I think the posting of a game idea that someone just thought about is too much a knee jerk reaction. If we move those ideas to the journals, then I think it will allow the forums to be cleaner and more streamlined, while allowing people who want to read those ideas to do so in the journal/blog sections. I think a lot of serious designers who sign up get overwhelmed by the total number of posts that are specific to game ideas that they don't really care about. If the forums get streamlined, then they may be willing to participate and offer insight.

As for limiting who can post in threads or participate in discussions, this is something I would NEVER want to do as it is not in the spirit of the forum. If Reiner Knizia signed up today and had something to add to a thread, I would never want to preclude him just because he didn't already have the required activity level. I also don't want to institute a system where it encourages people to over post. If someone has something to say, great. If they don't, they shouldn't feel the need to say 'something' just to get their post counts up or their activity score or whatever. Ultimately this site, this community, is here to encourage the creation of games. It should never be an end unto itself.

-Darke

Wed, 07/20/2005 - 11:02

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I have never really understood the concept of the journal available on this web site. And most of all journals are generally closed for other people's view.

If you want to reduce the amount of post in game design, you can always make a separate forum where the post does not appear in the top 10 of the home page.

But personally, my most favorite forum section is the "Game design" and "topic in game design" sections. I am not sure if the publication of journal will really replace this forum since in a journal you are more talking to yourself than to others.

For the "game works shop" forum, making a better organised system than a forum where every body submit game amd can comment out other can be interesting. With maybe even a point system to make sure every body are actually doing their part.

Beside the banner system that I had already proposed, why not also some sort of public news board. For example, lets say I make a new game and I want to say, "Hello everybody, I have a new game currently available at this address". I don't want people to reply like in a forum, I just want to pass a news.

Anyways, I am glad that you are working on another web site. Good luck.

Wed, 07/20/2005 - 11:35

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Larienna wrote:

I have never really understood the concept of the journal available on this web site. And most of all journals are generally closed for other people's view.

Understood. People have the options of making the journals public or private, and I kind of like that. The thinking is that you make you're journals public and then have other people add comments...

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If you want to reduce the amount of post in game design, you can always make a separate forum where the post does not appear in the top 10 of the home page.

That's all well and good, but no more modifications will be made to this site. In all reality, if not for technical difficulties and time constraints, we would already be using the new site software. And I seriously DO NOT want these types of posts to appear on the new site's forums. If it doesn't work out, I may change my mind.

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But personally, my most favorite forum section is the "Game design" and "topic in game design" sections. I am not sure if the publication of journal will really replace this forum since in a journal you are more talking to yourself than to others.

As I stated above, Journals/Blogs can be shared, and comments will be able to be added, so it won't be a one sided conversation. The Game Design forum was ultimately created to discuss a particular mechanic you might be having problems with, not an entire game. It has been abused in that respect for some time. But that's alright, it's partially my fault for not spelling out exactly what was and wasn't kosher.

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For the "game works shop" forum, making a better organised system than a forum where every body submit game amd can comment out other can be interesting. With maybe even a point system to make sure every body are actually doing their part.

Again, no point system will be implemented. Besides being something else that will have to be programmed in, it seems very childish. Jwarrend has done an excellent job of administering the GDW and I see no reason to change it.

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Beside the banner system that I had already proposed, why not also some sort of public news board. For example, lets say I make a new game and I want to say, "Hello everybody, I have a new game currently available at this address". I don't want people to reply like in a forum, I just want to pass a news.

That may be an option. However the journals will have the option to display new entries just like the forums. Also, I'd like for it to be more an invite thing. I.E. You may come up with a new game idea, then you would personally invite a few of your peers to look at what you've come up with... The new site is going to be all about reduction of repetition, streamlining of the forums, and making information more easily accessible.

I appreciate your comments, and I'm sorry if we don't agree on some of the things you mentioned.
-Darke

Wed, 07/20/2005 - 13:21

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Darkehorse wrote:

However the journals will have the option to display new entries just like the forums.

Great! One suggestion: it would be helpful if the recent journal titles were fully displayed on the new site. I never end up reading the journals here because the titles are truncated ("My new ide...") so I'm not sure if I'm interested or not. This may already be done, but I thought I'd mention it.

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Fri, 09/02/2005 - 21:46

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Hi,

There is mention in this topic of a new site being made and everything transffered over to it. Has this taken place yet? Did it happen before I joined or something? Or has this yet to happen, are we still waiting for it? Or has it been called off? And is there anything you can tell us about this new site if it hasn't yet come? Thanks.

Live long and prosper, Qundar out.

Fri, 09/02/2005 - 22:52

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The new site is actively being worked on. It will have a large wiki that amasses a lot of the stuff we tend to talk about here, several FAQs, a couple of glossaries, and more.

We're all very excited about it, but it is a lot of work for part-time volunteers, so it's taking a while. Still, we get closer all the time. It won't be too long, now.

-- Matthew

Sat, 09/03/2005 - 03:36

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Hi,

So is this gonna be a whole new site? Or just an addition to this one? I'm kinda confused there. And what's a wiki?

Live long and prosper, Qundar out.

Sat, 09/03/2005 - 04:09

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Qundar wrote:

And what's a wiki?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki

Sat, 09/03/2005 - 04:25

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Rick-Holzgrafe wrote:

Qundar wrote:
And what's a wiki?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki

Hi,

Thanks for the info. A bit too technical for me (I'm not very good at stuff like this), but I got the gist of it.

Live long and prosper, Qundar out.

Sat, 09/03/2005 - 09:18

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The new site will replace this one, but the forum posts here and such will all move over.

What a wiki is actually doesn't so much matter. What does is that the site will contain actual content in addition to the forums and journals and such. Content that will grow with time, creating a central, organized space for board game design information.

And that we'll be off of this very-popular-to-hack software and onto something else.

-- Matthew

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