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Possible solution to the need for art work

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Tue, 06/21/2005 - 01:05
Anonymous

Here is a weird thought.

Would it be a good idea to go to a few artists’ message boards and ask them to come here and post links to their work.
Maybe start a new post category for artist’s to showcase their talents.
I would assume that many would come to see what “game designers” need in the way of art work.
It would also make getting in contact with artists, illustrators, and graphic designers easier, possibly printing companies.
There is a lot of information on this subject already posted here, but I still have no idea what the difference would be between a 15 dollar image and a 75 dollar one.

I hate to do the math for a CCG. 250 cards times $75 an image, equals $18750…Hope you get a brake on quantity. :!:

I think with all the need for art work that this might help, but I am not trying to impose on our gracious hosts here though.

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Tue, 06/21/2005 - 08:45
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Re: Possible solution to the need for art work

TheCopperRail wrote:
Here is a weird thought.

Would it be a good idea to go to a few artists’ message boards and ask them to come here and post links to their work.
Maybe start a new post category for artist’s to showcase their talents.
I would assume that many would come to see what “game designers” need in the way of art work.
It would also make getting in contact with artists, illustrators, and graphic designers easier, possibly printing companies.
There is a lot of information on this subject already posted here, but I still have no idea what the difference would be between a 15 dollar image and a 75 dollar one.

I hate to do the math for a CCG. 250 cards times $75 an image, equals $18750…Hope you get a brake on quantity. :!:

I think with all the need for art work that this might help, but I am not trying to impose on our gracious hosts here though.

Hmmm.... Good idea... In all honesty though, I'm not sure how practical this is. We might get a whole slew of unnecessary postings. It might be best to go 'where they are' instead of asking them to come 'where we are'. Perhaps when we go online with the new software we can allow artists to set up their own image galleries to post examples of their works. It's a thought.

-Darke

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Tue, 06/21/2005 - 09:46
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seo
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Possible solution to the need for art work

Given the cooperative spirit of this forum, and the fact that lots of the games discussed here will never be a commercial hit, many even never reaching a commercial run, maybe we can implement some sort of work exchange forum where we can offer our work in our strong areas and ask for help on the weak ones.

That could cover both cooperation for hobby projects, with an "I like your game idea, I'm willing to give you some help for free or in exchange of your work" criteria, and a "I can do such and such for a $$$ rate" for commercial projects (or hobby projects where the game creator is willing to pay for some help).

That could include not only illustration and graphic design but also playtesting, game analysis, parts production or any other help someone might want. I can handle the illustration and graphic design of my games easily, but would love to have the professional help of more experienced game designers for my mechanics, and it sounds like a fair deal to exchange that sort of help.

I know there already are ways to receive help on areas other than visuals (actually that's basically what the whole forum is about), but as much as I could benefit from a place where I can offer my graphic work for a rate, I feel it would be a bit unfair that I can receive for free the less tangible but equally important help to improve my games mechanics, while those same guys that helped me for free have to pay in cash for my help.

That said, this whole idea could lead to people being less willing to help others for free, so I'm not sure that it's such a good idea. But I think we can find a way to implement such a service without loosing the current "I'm willing to help you for free" spirit that makes the BGDF a great place.

I just wanted to share my (somehow contradictory) thoughts on the topic.

Seo

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Tue, 06/21/2005 - 10:22
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Anonymous
Great Idea

I also see your point of not bothering or hindering them with flooded unnecessary posts and inquiries BUT they have the option of coming or not.

I have contacted and a few and been told to bring my costs down to contact a college or school for a graduate or willing student to get a better quote as they would gain experience and credibility and I would get a better price and larger selection in my price range of talented people.

This may be an opportunity to exchange links and have a small opening to some of the students. The chances of many going to market are slim from what I am understanding but they still could make some money from selling and exchanging wares and talents and info with us.

These are just my thoughts on it as what could it hurt if they were asked and they come to the site for posting????

Just an opinion

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Wed, 06/22/2005 - 02:55
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dete
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Possible solution to the need for art work

If your not picky and don't mind low budget stuff,

Hpox and I recently collaberated and made a
image for Jack D.

I did it as a thank you for the inspiration, and Hpox
said he was bored or something like that :)

so it CAN be done!

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Wed, 06/22/2005 - 06:58
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Possible solution to the need for art work

I think it's a nice idea in principle, but in practice, I don't think we have anywhere near enough demand for artwork around here to really make it worth an artist's while to come here expecting business. The number of people who actually need high-quality artwork here can probably be counted on one hand. I'm afraid that artists would come here expecting a flood of contacts, and would end up with less than even a slow trickle.

I also agree with Darke's concern, that gunking up the forums with a lot of posts isn't really desirable.

I think a better implementation of the idea would simply be to create an entry in the "links" page for artists, and members who have contacted good artists can provide links to those artists' websites. The list would grow a bit more slowly, but the artists would all be "recommended", which is helpful. Add links to places where artists congregate, and you can probably take care of everyone's needs.

On the other hand, doing graphic art for game components is, I suspect, a different animal from doing art work. If we could find a specifically game-art related group, then that might be quite useful.

Definitely a good idea, though.

-Jeff

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Thu, 07/14/2005 - 11:43
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Possible solution to the need for art work

I work as a freelance graphic designer and illustrator. I came to this site as I have an interest in game design and game playing. I'm currently working for a couple of game dsigners on a thier projects producing some graphic and artwork. This has been done for free as portfolio work.

Personnally I wouldn't come here looking for paid work, the rates I normally charge for commercial graphic work would be an unrealistic price for game designers to pay on prototypes, that they are trying to sell to game companies.

My reasons for coming here and helping out with graphics is to build up my portfolio with game related designs , so I have examples to show when I approach the larger game companies offering the same services.

Having both commeerical work and the game design work will stand me in better stead with some of the higher end game producers. Then hopefully I will gain paid design work for commerical game products.

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Thu, 07/14/2005 - 13:45
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Anonymous
Possible solution to the need for art work

Jayhubbard's attitude is refreshing, and spot on for getting your feet wet in the industry. I used the same approach when doing freelance illustration work for some RPGs and my first few D&D modules -- work hard, work cheap. Build up some credentials, establish contacts, and show people you are reliable, professional and responsible. That's opened up a lot of opportunities for me, and I hope it does the same on the boardgame side of things.

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Thu, 07/14/2005 - 14:43
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Possible solution to the need for art work

I'm also a freelance graphic designer, and would be willing to help anyone out as well. I have to admit though that I'm not always dependable (I usually work in my spare time, which can often be sparse). I'm probably more suited to graphics for layouts (for cards, etc.), terrain work, and simple objects (my other stuff may be a little too "cartoony" for many - see my avatar for an example).

If anyone wants to see a sample, you can go to my Web site (see my sig). Everything there (except the flames in the background and the artist's signature on the upper-left corner) was done myself. I also have some other art I could upload (computer game graphics and drawings mostly) if anyone is really interested.

I'm also planning to start sculpting custom board game figures for molding and casting, as well...

(Please PM me with any inquiries, rather than hijack this thread.)

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