Our family has game night. We love clue.
Problem - We need a better, bigger, harder clue game.
I thougth at one time they had "Master Dective Clue", but I am not 100% sure.
By my math there are 288 possivle outcomes (I'm probably wrong)
Is there a game like that, with 1000 +/- possible outcomes?
(side note - my daughter, who's 11 ,was playing Scarlet, rolled, went into the room, guessed blah,blah,blah and had it correct right off the bat, end of game.)
I can't comment on Clue specifically, although there certainly was a more complex version available.
However, there are several other deduction games on the market that offer different types of challenges that you might enjoy.
Mystery of the Abbey has a smaller range of permutations but a far more interesting collection of deductive approaches - since the information communicated is open, you have to think about what to ask as much as what to do with the answer you get. And it's oozing with atmosphere and looks gorgeous.
And at the other end of the scale, something like Sleuth by Sid Sackson (recently reprinted) may give you a decent challenge. You'd think it was easy (you're only looking for one missing card!) but the way the information is given means that you can't make instant assumptions.
I reckon either of these would be an interesting step up from Clue. And when you're ready for a real challenge, look for Black Vienna. (It's out-of-print at the moment, but you can make your own copy from the materials linked from the 'Geek.) It's like playing hardcore Clue, but unfortunately, it also suffers in that if someone makes a mistake, the whole thing collapses.
Our family has game night. We love clue.
Problem - We need a better, bigger, harder clue game.
You might try going to boardgamegeek and looking at the list of games grouped by mechanic, and look at "Deduction" games. Yes, there was a game called Clue Master Detective, it had 12 (I think) suspects, locations, and weapons. I bet you could get it on Ebay. Other games you might look at are Mystery in the Abbey (a more chaotic version of Clue) and Sleuth.
(side note - my daughter, who's 11 ,was playing Scarlet, rolled, went into the room, guessed blah,blah,blah and had it correct right off the bat, end of game.)
It seems like you're implying with this anecdote that Clue is too easy, but I think that what it shows is simply that she made an extremely lucky guess. In Clue, if you make an accusation and are wrong, you sit the rest of the game out. So if her first action was to make a final accusation, she was basically guaranteeing that she wasn't going to be playing a 2nd turn, and it was just a question of whether anyone else would.
I think Clue is a great game, and the real shortcoming of the game to me is the die-rolling movement, as it clutters up the underlying mechanic. Mystery in the Abbey sort of solves this by adding different attributes to the different rooms, though it adds some other stuff as well.
-Jeff
Other games you might look at are Mystery in the Abbey (a more chaotic version of Clue) and Sleuth.
I've heard that the new electronic version, Clue FX, eliminates all of the die rolling and moving, and greatly improves the gameplay in a variety of ways. Here's a thoughtful review:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geekforum.php3?action=viewthread&threadid=2...
I actually own a Clue Master Detective game. It's the same as Clue except it has a bigger board with more rooms, more suspects, and more weapons. It really isn't much more complex.
If you're open to other types of deduction games besides a whodunnit murder mystery, several people here on the BGDF submitted deduction games to a contest run by About Board/Card Games and Game Table Online, some of which were posted here. I would point you to them, but unfortunately, I can't seem to locate the thread.
Clark Rodeffer
You might want to check out the games Spy Alley and Simply Suspects. You might find them interesting. You can find info on them at www.spyalley.com.
Chip
I feel I should be up front and say that I designed the game I'm recommending, so I'm the first to admit that I'm biased!
I've invented a game called The Da Vinci Game which has 800 clues requiring logical thinking, deduction and so on, with riddles, logic questions and codes.
The proto-types I played with friends were way too hard, however the clues have changed considerably since then and while it's still challenging, it's also much more fun. If you do play it, let me know what you think!
Seems much more like Mind Trap than clue.
-Darke
I don't know how available they are, but the Clue VCR games are (were) pretty fun and entertaining (solving multiple murderer/victim/weapon/room combos while watching for clues during a VERY busy will reading).
I enjoy the 221B Baker St games. I have the original and the Time Machine version. The problem with these games is that there is no reason to play each mystery more than once (unless you all forget the answer) and they only come with 20 mysteries each. There are many expansion packs that each have 20 mysteries in them as well, you could probably find over 100 mysteries fairly easily.
The game gives you a background story for each mystery, a list of things that you need to find out to win (killer, motive, weapon, etc), and then a bunch of numbered clues in the back of the book. Some clues are related to the story and some clues are "puzzle clues". The puzzle clues are usually some kind of word puzzle that will reveal the killer, motive, weapon, etc. As you move around the board, you look up clues related to the locations that you visit and try to piece the crime together.
The 221B Baker St Time Machine version has famous mysteries from the 20th century. I.E. Who killed JFK? What happened to Jimmy Hoffa?
It is a fun mystery game that requires much more deduction and problem solving then Clue. The nature of the mysteries gives limited replayability but, I would not be surprise if you could find 100 - 200 mysteries fairly easily.
Xan
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I feel I should be up front and say that I designed the game I'm recommending, so I'm the first to admit that I'm biased!
I've invented a game called The Da Vinci Game which has 800 clues requiring logical thinking, deduction and so on, with riddles, logic questions and codes.
The proto-types I played with friends were way too hard, however the clues have changed considerably since then and while it's still challenging, it's also much more fun. If you do play it, let me know what you think!