There was a discussion on the Yahoo board game design group a little while ago, where a card manufacturing company in India offered its services (you can view their web site here).
The company described one of its products thus...
a deck of poker sized cards (55)of say 11 to 11.5 points would weigh, app 90 grams or 0.2lbs app playing card stock is basically a 2 ply laminated board with a black centre. this gives it the necessary stiffness and flexibility, and opacity. all three parameters are equally important. this is raw stock.
I've been meaning to post about this for awhile... the problem is, I'm not really sure what the above really means, and I think I should.
So, I'm begging any experts who have been through this process...
1) What are cards generally made out of? The above quote mentions "a 2 ply laminated board with a black centre." Is this common for playing cards?
2) Are there cheaper ways to mass-produce cards? Another BGDF user in a different topic noted the difference between playing cards and Magic cards. What is the physical difference between them, and about how much is saved? (In terms of financial details... I'm not looking for a specific quote, and I won't hold anyone to anything. I'm curious if it amounts to $500 or $5000.)
3) The above quote mentioned "points," as in "11 to 11.5 points." I've never heard an actual definition of this in publishing terms, though I assume it refers to weight. What is the measurement based on? What are some examples of different point values?
4) What about lamination? I'd imagine cards are lightly laminated. Is there a way to produce unlaminated cards that don't fall apart after repeated play? I'd imagine not...
5) What do card production companies expect from a client? I'd imagine that once the quote is agreed on, they will need some sort of file from a graphic layout program, like Acrobat. I'd also imagine that they assume you've done all proofreading, though is it reasonable to expect some handholding during your first time?
6) How is a game best laid-out for a production? I know that there are some "magic numbers" in terms of card sheets, for standard-sized cards... is it 55? 80? I forget. But I'd imagine that if a sheet of cards holds 55 cards and your game uses 60 cards, you're going to be paying a lot more.
Also, going back to the Acrobat file... do they exect one file per card sheet? One file per card, and they build the card sheet that way?
Is "card sheet" even the right term?
7) What quantities can you expect from a card production company? I know many refuse to do under a certain number (2000? 5000?). I also know that they will usually overrun your order - that is, print more rather than less, and bill you for the extra copies. I believe that this is because they can't stop their machines on a dime, and they assume you can use the extra product.
8) What companies have people successfully used in the past? Are there companies that aren't so easy to deal with? How can a first-time game publisher cover his assets and avoid getting ripped off?
I'm sure I'm not the only one with questions... if anyone else has questions, I'm sure there's an expert here who will help us out.
Thanks!!!
The company described one of its products thus...
I've been meaning to post about this for awhile... the problem is, I'm not really sure what the above really means, and I think I should.
So, I'm begging any experts who have been through this process...
I don't generally publish the card games I create for one simple reason... its expensive! But I have done some of the research.
Yes.. most playing cards are printed one side on laminate, then a black sheet in the center, and the the back side printed on one side laminate and the whole glued together. The black center piece makes it nearly impossible to 'see through the card'.
There are... but the 3-piece is industry standard. Check withCarte Mundi for options on that score.
I don't know exactly wha it means, but the larger the 'point value' the heavier the card. Standard paperback book covers are 12- point for the heavy ones, to give you an example... 10-point for the lighter covers.
I'm also betting not... the lamination alows them to be repeatedly bent without creasing. Before plastics, this was done with a parafin coating ((1920s).
They all differ. pdf is usually safe.. but ALWAYS ask what file format is preferred.
Yes 55 is standard at most companies... but unless you again, this varies by printer and production method.
Is "card sheet" even the right term?
...again, printer specific.
This is the main reason we don't do card games. Most want 10,000 minimum run, although some will do as low as 3,000... and thats a lotta labonza's to risk on launch.
I wouldn't go to India unless you have a background in logistics. You may pay less to the printer, yet wind up paying more by the time the cards wind up in your warehouse due to the costs of getting it here. I would check with Central Plains, Yaquinto, and Carte Mundi.
Hope this helps ? I have also looked at doing business cards as playing cards, leaving them uncut by the printer of the cards, and having them laminated locally... this is a bit more cost-effective for short run games. (Slam-Lam in Illinois - 1-800-331-7526)
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