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Intentionally Unfair Dice

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WillRoss1
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The dice in my game are used in a press your luck fashion to match casting cost of spells. My intent is to make the dice themselves collectable and tradable in addition to the cards. This, of course, requires there to be a significant amount of diversity among possible dice you could own, and I want this to go beyond looks (although special/limited edition designs, new unique styling with each version, etc would be pretty cool). I want each die to affect the outcome of the game.

My first idea was to have a somewhat large set of elements/runes (say 12) with each die containing 6 random faces. A little while ago I posted about this and got some great feedback (thanks guys!). In particular, it was brought to my attention that such a large element pool introduces far too many permutations of casting costs and makes creating a cohesive deck, with powerful, Creative combos nearly impossible.

Recently, I think I may have found a solution, having a smaller element pool, but allowing for infinite permutations of dice: intentionally unfair dice. That is, dice That are skewed and misshapen so as to randomize the probabilities of each face, instead of randomizing the element on each face. Then, if you are creating a deck primarily consisting of fire spells, you would search for dice with higher chances of rolling fire.

Sorry for the long post! Just want to make sure my intent with this idea is clear. Please let me know of any thoughts or questions you have. I would love the feedback! Thanks!

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Changing Faces

You may find it easier from a component standpoint to allow players to customize one or more of the faces of a die.

One thing I found incredibly cool with the LEGO board games was that the dice all had LEGO piece components to them. This allowed interchangeable faces. A default arrangement was suggested, but there was no reason to stay with it if you wanted to make changes. If you don't want Water, then take off the Water face and add whatever other element you'd want. Or if you wanted a specific element, then you'd have to choose which element you'd rather do without and replace it with the element you want to collect more frequently.

I imagine players could be allowed to change one or more of the faces with attachable pieces like this, or even with dry-erase markers on erasable die surfaces. Additionally there was a game released perhaps last year in the hobby market that allowed players to change the faces of their dice. I can't recall the name, but I think it had a circus- or carnival-theme to it...?

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I like op's idea. Maybe find

I like op's idea. Maybe find a supplier that has a method of making components that is not suitable for dice at all, creating random internal air pockets or bits of heavier materials so dice are randomly completely biased without much effort. Might even be cheaper than making good dice?

Make sure the surface is intact to prevent cheating though.

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There are definitely some

There are definitely some older games like that. "Dragon Dice", maybe? Search around for sure.

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Cost?

WillRoss1 wrote:

Recently, I think I may have found a solution, having a smaller element pool, but allowing for infinite permutations of dice: intentionally unfair dice. That is, dice That are skewed and misshapen so as to randomize the probabilities of each face, instead of randomizing the element on each face. Then, if you are creating a deck primarily consisting of fire spells, you would search for dice with higher chances of rolling fire.

Very interesting concept.

Cost would be my potential concern. Have you contacted any manufacturers yet?

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Jay103 wrote:There are

Jay103 wrote:
There are definitely some older games like that. "Dragon Dice", maybe? Search around for sure.

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. Actual WEIRD SHAPED dice. No, nobody's doing that.

Will be expensive as hell, won't it? You'd have to design the dice yourself and have molds made, and I'm not sure a factory could engrave or even print on weird shapes.

I'd also think it would be pretty damned hard to get the probabilities right so that you could understand how you were balancing your game.

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let-off studios wrote:I

let-off studios wrote:

I imagine players could be allowed to change one or more of the faces with attachable pieces like this, or even with dry-erase markers on erasable die surfaces. Additionally there was a game released perhaps last year in the hobby market that allowed players to change the faces of their dice. I can't recall the name, but I think it had a circus- or carnival-theme to it...?

Rattlebones.

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