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Success!

Trimmed the video to 4:59... -Just- short enough to qualify for the contest. :)

DarkDream
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Video Looks Great

In my opinion, the video is well done and the game looks a lot better than an earlier version.

Best of luck in the contest.

--DarkDream

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Some thoughts

I like the changes.  It shows that you have put a lot of thought and work in this from the last version the one that you have now.  Not that there is anything wrong with the version you have now, but here are some thoughts.

Your game has some common elements with raptor attack.  You may want to look at it.  An interesting feature of the cards in that game is there's one that lets you take cards back.

You call the treasure cards well treasure cards.  But one of the types of treasure cards is  treasure. I could see this causing some confusion. It makes it a little hard to discuss as well.  Maybe you could use loot for one of these.

Could you color code the treasures cards put to make it a little easier to peek?

Could add a smaller version of the treasure and sharks to the corners of the cards? Of course you could also color these. I think this may make peeking more efficient and more fun.

Could you put letters on the cards that indicate the resolution order? A for chum bucket. B for harpoon. C for deep dive. D for minisub.

 I have a question about the end of the game.  The rules say that the games ends when a lagoon runs out. Does  that round complete? If not what order do players take treasures?

Could you adjust some of the theming to be something like: If you would try to claim a shark it swims into Davy Jones locker. If you were carrying any treasure at the time you drop one to get away from the shark or because you were scared of the shark. The treasure then sinks to Davy Jones locker.

Why does the 6 have a power and the five does not? It's not that important but it seems odd.

Feel free to disregard, use or improve upon. Good luck with your game.

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Responses

I appreciate the feedback, Fri! Let me provide a few responses.

Fri wrote:
Your game has some common elements with raptor attack.  You may want to look at it.  An interesting feature of the cards in that game is there's one that lets you take cards back.
Thank you, I will check this out.

Fri wrote:
You call the treasure cards well treasure cards.  But one of the types of treasure cards is  treasure. I could see this causing some confusion. It makes it a little hard to discuss as well.  Maybe you could use loot for one of these.
Excellent point! I will refer to Treasure Cards as Loot from now on. Either that, or I will change "Treasure" to "Chest" in a graphical update.

Fri wrote:
Could you color code the treasures cards put to make it a little easier to peek?
I wanted to make the icons large instead, communicating the idea that I wanted the game to be language- and colour-independent. I suppose adding a tint or more obvious colour/pattern to the loot would be helpful, but I do like seeing an underwater graphic on the back of the cards. This is something to think about, for sure.

Fri wrote:
Could add a smaller version of the treasure and sharks to the corners of the cards? Of course you could also color these.
Certainly worth considering for a future graphical update. It might also be more useful when tallying up loot at the end.

Fri wrote:
Could you put letters on the cards that indicate the resolution order? A for chum bucket. B for harpoon. C for deep dive. D for minisub.
I've struggled with this a bit. The cards are resolved in numerical order. Additionally, the play-aid has the special cards listed in the proper order for resolution during the turn. The only exception is the 0 - minisub, which can be resolved anytime during that dive.

I'm concerned about adding too many icons to the cards, and am trying to make essential information on them language-independent. Do you feel like numbers -and- letters are required to bring across the proper resolution procedure?

Fri wrote:
I have a question about the end of the game.  The rules say that the games ends when a lagoon runs out. Does  that round complete? If not what order do players take treasures?
Finish that dive as per usual, including distributing treasures to the winners. The Lagoon empties when treasures are taken from it, so a new dive doesn't begin.

Fri wrote:
Could you adjust some of the theming to be something like: If you would try to claim a shark it swims into Davy Jones locker. If you were carrying any treasure at the time you drop one to get away from the shark or because you were scared of the shark. The treasure then sinks to Davy Jones locker.
No problems with that. It makes sense and is an easy fix.

Fri wrote:
Why does the 6 have a power and the five does not? It's not that important but it seems odd.
I am thinking of an ability to add to the 5 card. I have a couple ideas, and the front-runner right now is situational but quite powerful: blocking the minisub from switching loot in Davy Jones' Locker or having the minisub's opponent switch the loot card instead of the active player. I coupled the "extra peek" power with the strongest dive card so players would have a more interesting choice determining when to use it.

The bigger picture question is, "Why have one card without a special ability?" My main reason for this is so that players don't have to agonize over -every- single choice they make. If I do add an ability to the number 5 dive team card, it will likely be a specific, situational one.

Thank you very much for your feedback! It's all helping me move this game in the right direction: into a publisher's hands. :)

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More thoughts

Sorry for the delayed response and lack of quoting. Quoting is difficult for me on the phone.

I saw that you mentioned raptor elsewhere I am glad that you at least got something out of looking at the game.

I also like the underwater graphic on the back of the card. I was thinking that the actual treasures could have a color associated with them.   Just a simple one color fill. But if that looks horrible then never mind.

Ignore my suggestion about the letters. Can you add a note in the rule book that they resolve in numeric order to help out unobservent people like myself out?

Make sure to include that you finish dive when a loogan runs out of cards. Your current rules don t mention this. That was the point of my question last time but I did not word it so that it could produce an actionable result.

As for a for the powerless five.  I think what you are saying is that the five will have a power and you just have not figured out what it will be. IMO you could give it the power on the 6 card and then the six doesn't really need a power since it is the best card. Maybe I a viewing this through the lens of raptor.  I have a couple of ideas for powers. One is instead of discarding the cards you played reclaim them into your hand. Of course this is too good for the five card. You would have to place it on a lower card shuffle the remainsing powers up a card. The other is this dive teams retrieves always retrieves a treasure card even if it is beat.

Feel free to disregard use or improve upon anything I said. Good luck with your game.

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