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MAR
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What are your thoughts on Breadmaker, the upcoming alternative to Kickstarter? I hadn't heard of it until some time ago, but thought I would open it up here and see what people thought. Are you interested? Would you use it? Should I use them to crowdfund my game/ run a campaign? I personally like the idea, but its quite an uphill climb which is my biggest concern. Thoughts?

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-Austin

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Hmmm

I'd be nervous, since Kickstarter has by far the biggest name recognition and marketshare in the crowdfunding space. You hardly even see board game projects on Indiegogo and that is the next biggest competitor.

I think you would struggle to get organic traffic from within the Breadmaker platform (which is where a lot of backers come from on Kickstarter projects)

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Hmmm

Yeah, that is my biggest concern. I mean the platform itself might be better, and I support the idea and think its great- but the name recognition and those backers are the thing. I think I remember reading somewhere that the average kickstarter project brings about 5-10% of the projects backers??? Is that correct? I don't remember where I read that. IF that is true, one might argue that it is not that much so is there really a big sacrifice? But 10% is a lot really, I would think.

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You have to be DONE with the

You have to be DONE with the game, according to their model. That lets out a number of games in development, I think.

I'm not 100% certain of that, but it sounds like if you had a game that was designed and playtested and done except for the art for the 120 card deck (which might run you $10k), you couldn't put it up on that site.

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DONE

Didn't know that- that is indeed a big hit for projects in the works that are trying to get funding. Our game we are thinking about won't have that issue, but it is something to consider for the future.

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My advice from experience...

Ignore ALL "Crowdfunding" platforms except for Kickstarter.

I have experience with IndieGoGo and let me tell you 7 days, 0 backers... I was told IndieGoGo is now more specialized in "electronics and gadgets (watches, camera accessories, etc.)" They don't have a following for TableTop Games like Kickstarter does...

So if you are wondering about Ulule, Breakmaker, and even IndieGoGo... my advice is to stick with Kickstarter. It may be tough to build a crowd but at least it is possible.

Cheers!

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Well, Breadmaker is supposed

Well, Breadmaker is supposed to be specifically for tabletop games.

But it still needs viewership.

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Seems to me I've heard of

Seems to me I've heard of previous "games only" crowd-funding sites. I don't think any of them are still around. . .

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not kickstarter...

It does seem top me, as well as what I'm taking from everyone, that anything that is not Kickstarter is doomed to fail. I definitely agree with the statistics and premise. Do people want a game only platform to succeed, though? If so, what would be the best way to support/kick-start a new platform? I believe that mid to late April is the expected launch date for the first round of games (no, I'm not in the first round of games). Is it a fools hope to have a game-only platform? Is it something that people want/care about?

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Want vs. Feasibility

MAR wrote:
Is it something that people want/care about?
I think it's a poor business model to focus only on board games.

If it wasn't so, then Kickstarter would have "spun off" its own tabletop-game-only website to accommodate.

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GMT P-500

lewpuls wrote:
Seems to me I've heard of previous "games only" crowd-funding sites. I don't think any of them are still around. . .

There is the P-500 system which has been around for a while... It's kind of a pre-order system where enough people back a game and then they make it once they have enough orders... It's a bit different, but also similar in the way that it helps FUND games!

Here's a link: https://www.gmtgames.com/s-2-p500.aspx

It gives further detail to the system too... It might be something worthy of more exploration (with the myriad of particularities specific to this system).

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questccg wrote:lewpuls

questccg wrote:
lewpuls wrote:
Seems to me I've heard of previous "games only" crowd-funding sites. I don't think any of them are still around. . .

There is the P-500 system which has been around for a while... It's kind of a pre-order system where enough people back a game and then they make it once they have enough orders... It's a bit different, but also similar in the way that it helps FUND games!

Here's a link: https://www.gmtgames.com/s-2-p500.aspx

It gives further detail to the system too... It might be something worthy of more exploration (with the myriad of particularities specific to this system).


That's just for their own game catalog, yes? A great idea, I agree.

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With Celery you can make your OWN P-500!

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That's just for their own game catalog, yes?

Yes it's used by their OWN games (as a Publisher)... But you can do the EXACT SAME THING using "Celery" and taking customer PRE-ORDERS and not billing the customer "until some point"... where you will actually charge a customer for the game.

So basically it's your OWN "customized" PRE-ORDER system and you can use it to fund a game or anything else. You can even setup different "products" which can serve as various "rewards". The same thing that Kickstarter does.

The only thing that you don't have is a SLICK "web-presence" to advertise.

Of course you could use your OWN website you design yourself and then add a PRE-ORDER link and see if people fund your Game based on your website and the information you put out!

I'm not so sure how successful you'd be... Celery costs 2% of each sale + Stripe fees (another 5% I believe)... So it's 3% less expensive but you don't have the crowd of browsers that discover and back LIVE projects... You'd be on your own... seeing if enough people are interested in making your game a reality...

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