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What do you think publisher's do???

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You can't change the words in a Game Module. It's a Game, and someone else may as well have made it by the end. And I don't need any help with the making of it. It's completely done. It is ready to be played.

That's because you don't understand what PUBLISHERS do! They take whatever YOU WRITE and give it to an EDITOR... The Editor takes what you have written and rewrites it, makes corrections and then re-submits it to the Publisher for final proofing...

THAT'S WHAT PUBLISHERS DO! They EDIT YOUR GAME. Until THEY are HAPPY about it. NOT YOU. You have to release creative control of your game to them and in exchange they give you a ROYALTY.

Do you understand that's how the business WORKS...

Don't IMAGINE OR DREAM that a Publisher will take YOUR book/game and publish it AS-IS... Especially if it's a BOOK - you better believe that the writing will need to be PERFECT English and that there are no mistakes, EVEN THEN they will STILL send it to an EDITOR!

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Food for thought!

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I might-as-well just Print it out and start selling it to my friends. *"Hey, hey... I got the only perfectly-balanced Table-top Rpg. the World has..."*

I quote: "When working with a traditional publisher, you have to give up a lot of power and control. The publisher gets to decide the cover, the title, the design, the format, the price, etc. You have to go through rounds of revisions and will likely have to change things you don’t want to change. But you must approach the process like a professional, not a high-maintenance artiste."

READ THIS: It says a lot about how to become a professional writer... It's not enough to write a book/game. You have to become a professional and work with people like a professional...

http://janefriedman.com/2012/01/28/start-here-how-to-get-your-book-publi...

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werhner wrote:2) I can't

werhner wrote:
2) I can't possibly be the only person who thinks that __MillllliBbeEgggginnningGg AGEStOrm__ is a joke.

Right, I hit that and assumed that the whole thing was a joke.

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Not a joke

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werhner wrote:
2) I can't possibly be the only person who thinks that __MillllliBbeEgggginnningGg AGEStOrm__ is a joke.

Right, I hit that and assumed that the whole thing was a joke.

What he still doesn't get is that the Publisher will decide on the FINAL name for his RPG Book/Game. Could you shed some sanity and confirm that a Publisher will want to use their own Editor to review and edit any written material submitted, several times... Until they are happy with the end-product?!

He has written other books:

http://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Oberlander/e/B00K3W8M3W

He's a serious writer, but probably needs direction and DEFINITE EDITING to bring his ideas to fruition.

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questccg wrote:That's because

questccg wrote:
That's because you don't understand what PUBLISHERS do! They take whatever YOU WRITE and give it to an EDITOR... The Editor takes what you have written and rewrites it, makes corrections and then re-submits it to the Publisher for final proofing...

What you don't understand is that this is THE WORLD'S FIRST PERFECTLY BALANCED TABLETOP RPG. It is already perfectly balanced, already written in a way that perfectly expresses what the author has to say. No additional work or improvements are necessary. I haven't read "Revive the Ways of Old: Ancient Becomes the New, Print Is Now Bold, the Runes of Faith, Still Follow You..." but from what I understand about it, the author, who also wrote this game, has figured out a way of thinking that transcends that of the common person. He understands more than you or I, so obviously, he is the only one capable of nailing a perfect game like this. What are you going to do? Hand it over to an editor, who is going to unbalance it and interject a bunch of average Joe thinking and game tropes into what is already a perfectly balanced system? The publishing business may work that way for most people who can't write a perfectly balanced game and need the help, but at some point, maybe a publisher will see that this thing needs to be printed as-is and understand that they have discovered something special. You are just seeing how the publishing process works for people like you.

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questccg wrote:truekid games

questccg wrote:
truekid games wrote:
werhner wrote:
2) I can't possibly be the only person who thinks that __MillllliBbeEgggginnningGg AGEStOrm__ is a joke.

Right, I hit that and assumed that the whole thing was a joke.

What he still doesn't get is that the Publisher will decide on the FINAL name for his RPG Book/Game. Could you shed some sanity and confirm that a Publisher will want to use their own Editor to review and edit any written material submitted, several times... Until they are happy with the end-product?!

He has written other books:

http://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Oberlander/e/B00K3W8M3W

He's a serious writer, but probably needs direction and DEFINITE EDITING to bring his ideas to fruition.

I would publish this myself if I weren't strapped for cash right now, and I'd definitely use the name that he proposed as-is. Who the shit wouldn't buy a game called, "MillllliBbeEgggginnningGg AGEStOrm"? I would. A title like that is what tells the reader that they have found something truly different from the traditional RPG offerings. I'm astounded that you guys haven't noticed that this author is on a whole different level of thinking from people like you or I -- consider that for a moment -- and I think that has appeal for a segment of gamers.

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I do realize that...

I think on the "creative" level he is a 10+... Pure genius and then some.

But on a practical level who is going to print a Book/Game entitled "MillllliBbeEgggginnningGg AGEStOrm"?!

I'm also certain his perfectly balance rules book/game has probably some of the more original ideas in it...

But "creatives" like the rest of us must follow the rules of the business. Everyone who writes - gets edited. What IF his lovely and very creative book is filled with spelling mistakes?! The publisher would look like a complete fool and/or idiot. People all ready criticize when they find a spelling mistake - the Editor did a poor job.

I'm just trying to be realistic.

But I get it - creative genius! Very well possible...

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Look at the rulebooks

Look at the rulebooks published by Games Workshop sometime. The 6th edition Warhammer 40K rulebook retailed for $80 and was chock full of errors. The Romance novel industry publishes nothing but grammatical errors, logical fallacies, and research fails. I actually sat down and edited by hand an entire published, best-selling romance novel (fun hobby, right?), and it was rife with problems. Same thing with the novel, Twilight. That thing looks like it was given to some sort of Anti-Editor, who went through and placed additional errors to help the book speak to the lowest common denominator. I'd estimate that half of the Kickstarters that go live haven't even had their project pitch edited for spelling or grammar. People don't care. They rarely notice, because most people have the language skills of a 3rd grader.

However, you are comparing apples to oranges. Take a look at the RPG, HOL, and you'll have a better insight. There are games that are polished commercial publications, and then there are games that are pieces of art, which reflect the authors soul and encapsulate his voice. Spelling and grammar don't matter, because you wouldn't edit the dialogue in a Mark Twain book to reflect current usage. No, you want to preserve the integrity of the speaker's voice. As I understand it, this is a game in which the author speaks directly to the reader.

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Changes

I'm a Writer, and nobody tells me how to Write, and I'm an Author, and I'm an Artist in my own Right. It's a perfectly-balanced Table-top Rpg., and it is my Art-Piece. And it is a Masterpiece. You can Buy it and look at it all you want, and enjoy it in only as best as I could do it.

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DriveThruRpg dropped

DriveThruRpg dropped Publishing it 'cause they didn't like me Commemorating D&D. When that's the only Game we really have for Traditional Celebrating. That's the One we use to say we have an Rpg. and we're havin' fun and we're fans and all the others don't really hold-up long.

So we have the right to mark the History of the Celebration. Everyone has the right to know D&D was there. That's the way we felt. 'Cause with a perfectly-balanced Table-top Rpg., things are gonna' get a little fast; and as D&D gets further from our reach in our Day even though we still keep the Book in a safe place for the fun Memories. Otherwise, we start the whole line of D&D Clubs up again, just ta' see if everyone's friends; and we'll see if D&D gets mentioned again right at the end as the best One ta' use, and inbetween all that arguing and Hatefulness that was there, and when D&D said they were good and covered everything and said they can do the whole thing to the end where you can still Hope and to where everyone is Dreaming the end that someone could come.

Which is perfectly-balanced anyway, because something or whatever person COULD come some Day; and they left room for that, so whatever could do it IS the ending.

So we're not just letting this go, and all our Memories. We just want the Game Module Published with our small Commemorativling the way we said it way in the Past, or I just wanna' move-on and find a Publisher willing to do a Hobby-Publishing and adoring fans.

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Well, they can Publish it or

Well, they can Publish it or sOmeone Publish it, I don't care. You can Email me at: sheltereddreams@yahoo.com

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Well, at least the Board's

Well, at least the Board's interesting. Anyone would care. The hesitation of all Publishers is holding-up everyone that wants to play a good Table-top Rpg., and get that gruelingness out of their stomach, and the negativity of the World; too. They really need to get that grinding out of their nerves of all the forced patient-waiting they do every day to forget about the World's problems, and sit-down and feel fresh that they are gonna' have the freedom to do what they want and play a great Game; and as the World and its problems disappear.

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Someone publish this game,

Someone publish this game, damn it!

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Well, DriveThruRpg doesn't

Well, DriveThruRpg doesn't seem to be giving me my Publisher Account back. I don't think they like being told that it's a Game Module Written Right with the Commemorative and yes aLSo they are nOt doing any editing. It's a complete Project, and a Masterpiece.

And I told them to stop ignoring that it's a perfectly-balanced Table-top Rpg. The thing is done. It just needs looked-at by someone that knows what they're doing, and Published. No changes need to be made. You don't know how to keep-up with me, and it sounds like you're going to be rude; but you're not changing anything anyway, it's just something to point out for understanding.

And no they haven't Emailed me yet either. Well, if they don't want to do it; it's too tiresome to try to figure-out all their Publishing links anyway. And I don't know if they're ever going to make Game Pieces. You don't have to right away, in the First Publishing; but eventually you could make the Ones the Game Module suggests just to make it good like that sometime later.

It looks like it has to be looked-at by a Professional Publisher that can recognize a perfectly-balanced Table-top Rpg. Game Module when they see One. It has to be someone that knows everyone was waiting for One. And after this long of trying to Publish it, I hope I get Advanced-Pay to make up for some things I like to get comfort in as this was stressful; and any Knowledgeable Publisher would know that this will Sell for certain.

There's really no avoiding it. And I've been dragged through this Life just as much as you, and trying to push negative people out of my way. I just wanna' relax. It's grueling that they act like they don't know anything. And it wasted that much Time.

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I didn't say anything to

I didn't say anything to them, yet, I'm yes just telling what it was like with them before I left.

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Well, I know a lot of people

Well, I know a lot of people on this site recommend The Game Crafter, and they sell components as well:

https://www.thegamecrafter.com/

Maybe they can help!

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Ok, I Emailed them.

Ok, I Emailed them.

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I finally got a new Phone. I

I finally got a new Phone. I don't have to go-out for Wi-fi.

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Contact "The Game Crafter"

They're not answering my Email. I guess you have to get an Account there. So I registered for One.

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It looks too limited to

It looks too limited to recieve a 190 Page Game Module, and it's in PDF or .doc or whatever they want. They're stuck on using images or whatever. I don't know what link to use to get the Game Module in there as a 190-Page PDF.

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I think every Publisher is a

I think every Publisher is a little link-sped. I just need to Publish a Game Module. I can't figure these links out at all. I just need a Publisher to Publish a Game Module, and it's something better than anything thEy got. So I don't know what the f*** their problem is. Wasn't anyone into Role-playing? Wtf? Everyone's acting like they don't knOw anything. Like, they wouldn't wanna' make all that Money? Sure. This must be a Hateful World.

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There. The "Help" thing said

There. The "Help" thing said use the Forums for stuff like that. So I put a post on there asking them. That was good. Must be easier for 'em.

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Well, they said: "At this

Well, they said:

"At this time, we don't offer a booklet that can hold 190 pages.  Also, images for the booklet pages must be in either PNG or JPG format".

Well, considering all Publishers that wanna' promote Role-playing Games; my book would be in the Guiness Book of World Records, anyway.

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Try to learn and listen...

The problem may lie with the format of your module. It is:

A> Too small to be a Novel (320 pages or 80,000 words)
B> Too big to be a Short Story (30 pages or 7,500 words)

It still is in the category of a Novel BUT it is short to be published. You just can't approach anybody with such a work. You need to find somebody who is willing to take the book and edit it and publish it along side with D&D.

I don't care if you think it's "perfect", you will need a good editor who can ensure that the grammar is correct and understandable by the intended reader.

The problem you have is that there are not many companies that would print such a module... You used to have TSR which is now own by Wizards of the Coast. And unfortunately they are no longer accepting submissions for writing.

So you are out of luck there...

IDK if there is anyone else - but with your attitude I don't think you will get your module published. As someone told me: "You need to stay humble..." And always be professional. You may feel that your module is perfect as it is and I am saying all books go through EDITING. It part of the process of any book publication. Even "Lord of the Rings" or "Harry Potter" were edited...

You have to walk like the average man and say that you have a 190 page module which you would like someone to look over and see if they might want to EDIT it - and therefore eventually publish it.

That's how the publishing business goes... If you come off as being arrogant or just too much of an "artist" the publisher's will see that and they will not work with you. You have to learn to accept that the job of a Publisher is to EDIT and you will probably be part of the process if you listen to what I am telling you: you will have to re-write many parts of your module to make it past EDITING.

If you do that, BRAVO you have understood what it means to be a PROFESSIONAL AUTHOR. If you come off as arrogant, "my book is perfect", "I am superior to everyone else", they are all going to tell you to F- off.

Get it???

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Also you need to...

You keep posting comment about "Please publish my module/book" and I tell you that you need to start by asking "Could an Editor review my module/book"?

Once you UNDERSTAND that your precious work of art must be EDITED (by an Editor), you will need to approach several independent publishers.

I can MAYBE find some - But if you are too F- arrogant or not listening to how you need to think, well then I can't help you either.

In the former case, IF you understand then I can see if I can send you a list of independent publishers, in the later case I don't have time to REPEAT myself 100 times to try to make you understand.

Last chance Joseph...

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WelcrielWawdriqe

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...Well, considering all Publishers that wanna' promote Role-playing Games; my book would be in the Guiness Book of World Records, anyway.

If you read my post, you should understand that there are very FEW publishers that WANT to promote Role-Playing Games. VERY FEW.

And you need to be HUMBLE like "my book would be in the Guiness Book of World Records..." That attitude is not going to get you anywhere... People are going to believe that you are pompous. <= If you don't know what "POMPOUS" means GOOGLE IT.

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Lol!

Lol!

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I'm not repeating myself.

I'm not repeating myself. That's someone that's NOT finding a professional Game Maker.

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Here are some independent publishers

John F. Blair Publisher, Carolyn Sakowski, President, 1406 Plaza Drive, Winston-Salem NC 27103; 336-768-1374; 800-222-9796; Fax: 336-768-9194. Email: sakowski@blairpub.com. Founded in 1954, this independent family-owned company publishes about 20 titles per year. Specialties: fiction, regional.

New Directions, Griselda Ohannessian, Publisher, 80 Eighth Avenue, New York NY 10011. Almost a non-profit publisher, this company was one of the first small independent publishers (founded in 1936). It is still a strong literary publisher with specialties in poetry as well as avant-garde fiction and nonfiction.

Overlook Press, Peter Mayer, Publisher, 386 W Broadway, 4th Floor, New York NY 10012; 212-965-8400; Fax: 212-477-7525. Specialties: fiction, children's books, art, design, popular culture, etc.

The Permanent Press, Martin Shepard, Publisher, Noyac Road, Sag Harbor NY 11963; 516-725-1101; Fax: 516-725-1101; 631-725-1101. Email: shepard@thepermanentpress.com. Also Second Chance Press. Specialty: quality fiction.

Pushcart Press, Bill Henderson, Publisher, P O Box 380, Wainscott NY 11975-0380; 516-324-9300. Specialties: stories, fiction, publishing, general.

Steerforth Press, Chip Fleischer, 25 Lebanon Street, Hanover NH 03755; 603-643-4787; Fax: 607-643-4788. Email: info@steerforth.com. Specialties: general fiction and nonfiction.

Good luck!

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Anyway, back to Soulfinger.

Anyway, back to Soulfinger. It was interesting, and something I already thought of a long time ago. If I were to make my Game Module all the way down to the size of a novel whatever inches that is wide and long, it WOULD be about as many pages of a novel.

There's only all these scales in it and Spells and stuff to start-out with and the survival scales and search scores and everything needed for scouts and being quiet and thieves and ward-pasting and recordings and Monsters and EVERYthing. That's, like, 300 Pages of perfectly-balanced scales, skills, spells, nature and survival to play with. There's really no stories, just descriptions, and beautifulness. There's plenty for an Artist to do. I wrote it on 8x11.5" Pages.

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