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I know we often talk about Magic: the Gathering (Magic) as one of the greatest "card" game to ever exist. Anyway if you have NEVER played ... Or are curious and understand that it's usually a very pricey endeavor... Look no more than at these AMAZING Pre-Constructed 60 cards Decks sold for ONLY $9.99 USD.

I bought 2... Which ones I won't say (ok - I'll share LATER). But it's like spending $20.00 USD on something that maybe at some point in time, I will actually want to TRY!

Okay so these Pre-Constructed decks are from Tolarian College (a YouTube channel dedicated to Magic products).

https://www.cardkingdom.com/static/tcc-campus-store?cid=2898

That's the link to ALL of the different Pre-Constructed Decks... They're NOT supposed to be SUPER RAREs and stuff like that. They were designed for FUN and enjoying the GAME which is Magic.

I am of course going to look into the Decks to see what is in them... And TRY to understand how each Deck is meant to play. I'll give my opponent the OPTION as to which Deck he/she prefers to play!

Bottom line, I'd support TCC Professor ... Because he reviews things that I wouldn't DREAM of spending money (like $400 USD on 4 VIP Boosters).

But these TCC Pre-Constructed Decks seem REAL COOL! So, if ANYONE is like me, you LIKE Magic, you used to PLAY Magic, you don't know HOW to build a Magic Deck, you're not sure even HOW to play Magic... Check out the different decks. They all look so amazing for only $9.99 USD!

Cheers ... And if you DO buy one or more of these Decks... Share with me which ones... And how you fared with PLAYING them TOO! Cheers.

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I bought...

The "Splice of Life" and "Pristine Control". We'll see what these cards are like... And I'll even go down to my LOCAL Magic Shop and give them a TRY (at some point...)

Cool beans!

Note #1: If you just think about INVESTMENT... These Decks come with 60 cards. So if each card averages to $0.50 USD... That's $30.00 USD worthwhile of cards for ONLY $9.99 USD (1/3rd of the price). But aside from the investment factor, the goal is to PLAY the game and enjoy the cards you get...

I'd obviously recommend picking-up one or two of these if it SPARKS your fancy!

I'm sure one day, I'll play the game and have a couple Decks to break-out and have some FUN!

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This may be 100% true

I had a friend who used to BUY "booster" packs for Magic and would collect the cards (because he thought the artwork was cool). He always used to say that it would be "nice" to learn HOW to play. But he didn't know the rules for Deck-Construction and how to even START with Magic.

That's why I am hoping that these "Battle Decks" are EASY (or relatively easy) to understand the underlying strategy behind each Deck. With this I hope that I can manage to play some games with the Deck and comprehend what the strategy is for that Deck...

It this is 100% true. Well then I'll visit that friend of mine and introduce him to Magic "the game" not just collecting the cards and hoping one day to understand HOW to PLAY!

I may yet surprise him with my knowledge and understanding about HOW the underlying Magic game is played... Cheers!

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Long time player with over 100 decks

I am a collector and player. I have some of nearly every deck style that I know of (missing a landless deck, and some of the decks aren't really competitive because I am missing the critical expensive piecces for that particular style). I've been on a tribal binge lately. But if you have rules questions, deck building questions, strategy questions or just want to discuss the game, I'm game.

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Thanks for the offer... I may take you up on it!

AdamRobinGames-ARG wrote:
I am a collector and player... But if you have rules questions, deck building questions, strategy questions or just want to discuss the game, I'm game.

Definitely COOL! Maybe when I get the Decks... I can PM you the Card List and you could maybe explain HOW to play the Deck!? Right now, I'm very excited to "receive" those two (2) Decks ... Just to see IF I can understand HOW to play.

Obviously is 100% BETTER than buying Booster Packs... Because $30 USD worthwhile of Boosters ... Is still not going to get you that PLAYABLE DECK!

Plus the PRICE was amazing. $9.99 USD as an investment in learning one of the coolest games on the Planet (maybe ever). Is worth every penny!

It's less expensive that SINGLES too... Don't want to pay like $45 USD for one (1) Deck, when I can get two (2) for under $20.00 USD! Hehehe...

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Pre-constructed deck have

Pre-constructed deck have existed for many years. I remember playing some of them more than 15 years ago.

What is interesting is that you can easily get into the game. Your friend invite you to an MTG night and you do not have any cards, go buy a premade deck at the store and you are up and running.

One of the interesting things about premade deck is that the cards look like they were designed to work together. They are not just selected from a pool to work together. The drawback is that the strategy is built in the deck, and you need to play that strategy.

For one of my game design, I wanted to make only pre-made decks and if you acquired each of those deck once, you gained all the cards of the collection in the max amount of duplicates.


Many years ago I designed deck by using only unique cards, I was not planning any strategy in the design. I found the game to have a different flavor because you are not locked on rails toward 1 or 2 strategy you want to pull off. You are more in a creative state position where you wonder how you are going to use the cards you have in hands. This is another objective I am looking for, be able to be creative while playing, not just at the deck construction phase.

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The $30 dollar value is not likely unless it has a card that is extremely valuable. I do like buying pre-con decks, because they do generally offer some valuable cards. But the basic land are worthless and most of the deck will be $0.05 to $0.15 chaff with 2 to 3 $3 to $5 cards and a few cards worth up to a buck. I've found on average, any "new" released pre-cons would typically set you back $15 to $18 if the cards were bought individually. I say "new" because cards can raise and lower in value pretty substantially with one release of a newer set, making some of the older pre-cons worthless and some worth $100s. Not trying to discourage you, it's a great game and good value, but I want to be realistic.

If they are pre-cons, the decklists will be online at several mtg oriented websites like:
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/splice-of-life-4/
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-09-16-pristine-control/

Note there were multiple decks with the name Pristine Control, so I'm not sure if I grabbed the right one. But just confirm that it's the correct card lists, and I can tell you how I would play.

One of my favorite ways to buy is to save up and buy someones personal collection. It's generally set heavy, but you can get a lot well below value. It takes some patience, know rough card values for the sets(s) and you have to look through it to know if it's a good deal or not, but one collection I bought for $20 had a $75 card in it and a few $5 cards. The $75 card is now worth around $380. I also did some work for a family friend who gave me his whole collection (minus the decks he wanted to keep) when he moved. It was nearly $3,000 worth if I sold the cards individually. (I did make him aware of the value he was handing over, he was still good with it.) I built a re-animator deck with what he gave (and a handful of cards from my own collection). In all the deck is now worth about $300. So there are some real treasures in building your collection this way.

Another good strategy (if you have the patience) is to go through bulk bins at card shops. Not all shops have this, and none are doing it now with Covid. But my local shop has $0.05 bulk. The cards range in value, typically up to a quarter. But sometimes he misses higher value cards and we get some awesome stuff. Great way to build pauper decks (decks under $5 containing commons and uncommons only).

If your not a fan of building (or you are just learning to play). The pre-cons are probably still your better route. I like the Duel Deck series which comes with two ready to play and balanced against each other decks. But any decks within the same cycle should be fairly balanced against each other.

If you decide you really like a set or block, one of the cheapest places I've found to buy a booster box is: https://collectorstore.com/games/magic-the-gathering/
They'll sell most new (non-masters) boxes for under $100 while most stores are $120 for a booster box. Great for drafting with friends, at about $25 for 9 packs with four players (or 8 packs with prizes).

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I guess... I'm trying to see some Magic Cards and...

Hope they can "inspire" my own CCG "Quest Adventure Cards(tm) - Second Edition" (Quest_v2). It's not like I am "copying" Magic ... Not at all. Just something to help me "think" about other games and how OTHER games do "this" or "that" or "handle it this way" or "handle it that way", etc.

Like for example, "Crystal Heroes" (CH) is a blend of Chess and Carcassone. I call them "Game Tiles" in CH because they are "square" cards designed for a square area of play (2 or 4 players). But I like to ponder about a game and see how mechanics can be re-implemented in a different style of game altogether.

Quest_v2 is two (2) things: Set Collection and Engine Building.

But I'm still not firm on either aspects of the game. Yes, I do have IDEAS but they aren't 90% yet. The TYPE of cards and what they do and how they interact with the other cards is IMPORTANT. Especially in a CCG!

So, I am hoping that Magic gives me MORE insight into card games ... More than I have ATM. I know about Magic's Color-Pie, Colors, Playstyles, Type of Cards... But I have NEVER played a game nor purchased cards for a Deck... I bought for a dollar a Serra Angel card, because I liked the art and he wanted to buy more boosters... To get more cards (the ignorant way for collection NOT players).

Like I said, I have SOME ideas. They're just not fully cohesive YET! I'll hit you up when I get the decks and confirm their contents.

Cheers! (And thanks for the Magic help... No doubt learning this way will make for a better experience because you're a master player).

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I get it

A lot of mechanics in Magic are transferable to other game types. I use it for inspiration too. Based on your description, I would say you might look at more synergistic sets. One of the best blocks in Magic for synergy play is Kaladesh (The set names are Kaladesh and Aether Revolt). Unfortunately the pre-con planeswalker decks for this set have shot up to about $25-$30, so no longer available for $12 each.

I wouldn't say I'm a master... But a seasoned veteran. I don't play tournaments, just kitchen table. So I don't have a lot of the elite cards/decks you often see in tournament.
I like to try to build theme decks or quirky decks over maximizing efficency. They may not be as good, but are generally more fun because of weird interactions my friends and I create. I do have some elite decks, like my re-animator or infinite combo deck, but maybe only 5 or 6 of those. We generally talk about power level before each game so we try not to dominate one another.

If you come up with a mechanic, I could likely design a deck for you to try out. Also, you can play online with MTG Arena for free. It'll take a while to build a collection on there but it's a free way to play the game and learn. There are also bootleg game simulators that give you access to the entire collection. MtG knows about them and hasn't tried to shut them down, so I'm guessing they see it promotes purchasing in the long run.

Lastly, if you want to look at deck ideas as you get more experienced, I recommend https://tappedout.net.

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By the way dollar store now

By the way dollar store now have magic cards in transparent pack. Not sure what those cards are exactly, are they surplus cards or something? But for less than 10 $, you could probably get more than 100 cards and make a deck out of it.

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I've seen that at Half Price Books

I've never heard of that at a dollar store, but have seen it at HPB in my area. It's likely one of two things:

Chaff - The cards have been picked over and you are getting what won't sell. In which case this isn't worth anything as far as game play or value goes.

Random Bulk - Someone buys bulk and packages them randomly. Most bulk is Chaff, but can have missed or hidden gems. May or may not be worth it, typically not. You can do similar on ebay or tcgplayer with larger bulk quantities with minimum rarity guarantees. It's hit or miss.

I'd much rather buy collections from an individual. Still get some chaff, but usually includes the playable and value cards and for not much more than buying bulk (on a per card basis). One collection I bought had 3 decks that the previous owner didn't deconstruct. I made only minor modification to 2 and kept them. The other I took apart.

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First turn, infinity decks

Is what got me out of MtG.

But I had 2 "fair" ways of playing the game.

1 - Mirror deck
I had so many cards. That I would often create a deck that could be duplicated.

2 - Only 10 a month to spend.
Meaning, only 1 booster package each week. Add the new cards to THE deck if needed. And simply go 1 on 1 with the same guy who did the same, over and over.

He got boring pretty quickly though.

Forest was my favorite. Although, sometimes I added 1 red or black card.
I hated blue.
I didn't see much use in white...

We quit around the snow covered plains, snow covered mountains and stuff.

Somehow, MtG always felt like completed in the early years. Yet chaotic and unfinished, in the later years. Talking about 15 years ago now.

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Yeah

I totally get what you are saying @X3M. That's why I'm a Kitchen Table Player. More casual and fun to experiment with decks, rather than try to dominate the game.

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Don't get me wrong, I hate

Don't get me wrong, I hate Magic the gathering. I prefer Duel Masters much more. It's not perfect, but it's better.

One thing I tried with my duel master card collection is to create 5 deck that contains only unique cards. The idea is not to force a strategy on the player and find a way to make the game playable out of the box like if it was a non-collectible card game.

I could also exclude certain cards that are too weak or too strong this way.


It's possible that those dollar store cards does not have the same rarity distribution as booster and starter pack. You could still play Paysan format with them in that case (deck of 55 common cards and 5 uncommon if I remember correctly)

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I dislike super cards

Because of this, the rules had to be changed over time.
Like limits or bans of certain cards.

I rather see a "rare" card. To be rare in the deck as well.

Like a rule that would demand the rare card to have a common version first to enter the field.

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Battle Decks sound KEWL!

larienna wrote:
You could still play Paysan format...

I believe in English is it called "Pauper" format.

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I rather see a "rare" card. To be rare in the deck as well.

Well you need to understand that MOST people do NOT customize their OWN decks. Most people play decks constructed by the PROs. Or so that is what I have been told.

Q: "Let's go over the fundamentals, how do I choose cards to build a deck...?"

A: "No one builds their own deck from scratch... You just play whatever the PROs are playing...!"

Ergo for my opportunity to buy a "Battle Deck" and have the Deck decide how I should play the game versus my opponent. And learn in the process... I hope!

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Hmm... Maybe what could be cool, aside from explaining to me HOW a particular Magic Deck is to be played (for sure that has value in comprehending more of Magic's mechanics) ... But maybe(?), I don't know if this is possible or not, you could help take that "Battle Deck" as a start point to see HOW it can be improved upon???

Like say I have a budget of $20 USD to ADD to my "Splice of Life" Battle Deck... Could we take a look and see how we can IMPROVE upon this Deck with a few cards like maybe some $3.00 to 5.00 USD cards and maybe a rare card that is GOOD for the DECK (and playing) something in the $10.00 to $12.00 USD range...

I'm just seeing if with you as the Master, you can HELP to improve upon the Basic Deck that I am getting for $9.99 USD and make it more potent... Making it a more BAD-ASS Deck...

Is this possible??? Or is it just a pipe dream and that's not how you design better deck, IDK!?

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Sure thing @QuestCCG

I love deck building. I haven't kept up with the latest and greatest, but I know lots of sites to research combos and synergy to improve things. I also have been playing so long that I have a good sense of play value in casual play setting. I also know all the staples for any color you play. But like I said though I've personally moved away from super competitive to more fun to play.

If you want, I could try to build you some inexpensive decks that you can drop into TCGPlayer.com that would be more aggressive. If you develop a sense of play style or want to try a specific deck archetype, let me know. I listed several archetypes in the "Deck building archetypes" thread found here: https://www.bgdf.com/node/22897.

Do you care about format? If not, it makes my life easier. But it's important. Commander seems to be popular right now, but I don't personally care for it. Requires tutors (cards that allow you to search your deck) to be effective. I don't have many and because Commander is so popular, their mostly overpriced right now. I've been considering trying brawl. But I think most of my decks would fall under Standard or Legacy.

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Quote:Well you need to

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Well you need to understand that MOST people do NOT customize their OWN decks. Most people play decks constructed by the PROs. Or so that is what I have been told.

WHAAAAT!

That is so absurd. If you do not build your deck, then you don't understand how the game works at all because:

The gameplay Magic the gathering IS deck building.

Playing the game is pointless in itself. You could use an AI and have the same results. There is very little decisions to make through a game. The outcome of the game is almost decided by the stacking of the cards in both deck. There might be in average from 1-3 interesting decisions to make. If fact try it, play multiple games, with the cards stacked in the same order, and you will get very similar results.

So if playing the game itself is more a chore, then what's left is use the feedback from the games to design and improve your deck. That is where the gameplay lies. But if a pro design a deck for you, then there is nothing left to be done. It's like making a computer play a game by himself.

The internet is a very wonderful thing, but sometimes it screw up experiences.

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I guess we have two very opposite impressions

See for me, it's more about PLAYING the game. Not constructing a Deck. At least I'm NOT there. Firstly I wouldn't even know where to START!? What are you trying to achieve??? Again that answer is: IDK!!! I think you can start with 20 life points. So, you would want to ensure you have some sufficient ATTACK cards to reduce Health to 0.

But yet I've heard there are OTHER ways to WIN the game too...

I don't want to put together some "crummy" Deck that doesn't have a proper STRATEGY to WIN. That's why I REALLY Like the "Battle Decks"!

Anyhow it's later (past Midnight)... I'll share some more thoughts tomorrow! Cheers.

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There are a mix of styles

While there are people (like me) who get as much enjoyment out of building the deck as playing, there are just as many players who would skip the deck building process to just play. It's personal preference. A lot of players will have two or three decks that they just keep tweaking. Then there are players like me who try to build as many and as diverse a deck as I can.

As for the decisions are laid out for you, it depends on two factors. One, how much reactionary stuff is in your deck and two, how well do you know your opponents deck. I would agree, aggro and stompy decks have very obvious plays with very little thinking (I have several). But Control type decks require a lot of decision making (Do I counter this moderately threatening thing now or save it for something really threatening that typically runs in the opponents style deck). That's why control is much harder to play effectively, but is typically among the strongest archetypes. There is plenty of in between. Also, some deck types you have to change strategy a bit in two player or multiplayer, which may alter your decision making.

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I used to make deck by pseudo

Deck design is not rocket science. Unless you want to play tournaments, there is no reason for not giving it a try.

I used to make deck by pseudo randomly selecting cards while making sure that the cost were balanced. They were not strategy decks. You generally have to follow some ratio:

1/3 land is generally the norm, but you could get mana shortage in 1 out of 10 games. So for a 60 card deck, I used 20 lands.

I thinks I used 2 color decks, with 8 spells and 8 monsters of each color with cost 1-3 x3, 4-6 x3, 7+ x2. Then 8 artifacts: 4 monster and 4 regular.

In the video game, you could make 45 cards decks, I preferred that as you got more control on what came out.


I recommend getting a copy of the old first Magic the gathering video game for windows. In that game, you have an adventure mode that is very interesting. In fact, it is the best MTG mode I ever played and it was never done ever again.

You'll have a lot of opportunity to practice making deck, especially designing counter deck to win certain battles. You will also learn from deck made by the game.

Else there is magic duels you can play on any console and on PC too. But there is no adventure mode, and that was the best part. Still, the cards are more recent.

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MtG to be renamed then

If people buy pre-designed decks. Without the need to learn the game by designing their own deck. Without the need to buy cards and select the ones that are usefull.

I guess it should be named MtBPD;
Magic the Buy Pre-designed Deck.

I miss those days of having just one or two opponents who followed strict rules. In regards of gathering cards.

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Marketing & Promotions

I think of this as a good move for WotC in terms of marketing and promotions.

$10 is a very good price for an entry point into a long-standing hobby game.

Players are encouraged to keep paying $10 to try something different, but not "get in too deep." They won't need to spend time learning how to "build a deck" before playing. That seems a modest investment for novelty, Plus, they'll be able to teach someone else by lending their old deck to the new player, and they can talk the new player through the game and the basic strategy.

If they stick with it, eventually a player will want to experiment by combining their several pre-fab decks together so they can attempt to develop their own strategies.

If they want to go deeper, there are lots of other buying options. There's potential for them to become involved in more in-depth competitions as time goes on. They'll also end up with loads of extra M:tG cards over time as their own strategies become refined... just like everyone else who's ever gone into that hobby. :)

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Just theorizing

let-off studios wrote:
I think of this as a good move for WotC in terms of marketing and promotions.

$10 is a very good price for an entry point into a long-standing hobby game.

Well I haven't even gotten MY "Battle Decks" and already I'd like to see IF there is a WAY to BOOST their "potency"! Not that I am certain there is... But I do feel like "experiencing" the Decks at "face-value" is EXTREMELY important. First you need to learn HOW to play a Deck... Then afterwards (wins or loses), you can then see if you can "improve" upon that $9.99 USD Deck, knowing full well that you can buy EXTRA singles which are more costly to work in-tandem with the other cards that came with the "Battle Deck"!

But of course this is all theory... Will need to learn and then discuss with @Adam if there are ways to IMPROVE upon the "Basic" Deck (knowing that most cards are common and inexpensive cards...)

Obviously AFTER I receive and review the Decks FIRST! Haha.

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These are NOT WoTC Decks... These are Tolarian Community College (TCC) Battle Decks. Now WHO is the actual creator of each one of those Decks... IDK. But I'd guess it's in the Public Domain once you play and use your cards against an opponent. If you SHARE your cards... Well then I guess it's fair game ... When it comes to designing said Decks for SALE!?

But I seriously doubt that these are WoTC Decks... So it's helping out OTHER re-sellers of Magic. Basically any FLGS or Online Business that sells SINGLES can make said decks and resell them too...!

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If you want to explore others premade decks...

Sounds like you bought a player-con deck rather than a pre-con deck then. Check out https://tappedout.net/ for all sorts of deck ideas. If you find a deck you like on Tapped Out, you can click on the TCGPlayer button on the left hand side of the page where it shows the approximate cost of the deck and it will open https://store.tcgplayer.com and download the deck to your cart from a group of sellers. TCGPlayer is great for getting cards cheap, but you have to be careful right now because, with covid, you won't likely be getting the free shipping from TCG direct because noone is shipping their cards to TGC right now. You're buying direct from the sellers so you'll likely be paying multiple shipping charges right now.

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Actually I bought from Card Kingdom

They have what is a "reserved" section for "Tolarian Community College" (TCC) ... The professor reviews Magic: the Gathering (Magic) products. Like the various Booster Packs, the boxes which are over like $400 USD, etc. He has a section on "Card Kingdom" reserved for TCC... And they feature various "Battle Decks". Here is the link:

https://www.cardkingdom.com/static/tcc-campus-store?cid=2898

This is ALL the "Battle Decks" that are "currently" available. Tapped Out also has a copy of the deck "at the time of purchase" ... But may have different cards currently made available from the various Decks.

I'll be certain to COMPARE and see if they are near-identical or BETTER (or worst) ... For sure. But the idea was to have a "Deck" that had a PLAY STYLE that I could LEARN and embrace. And then go TRY it out... See IF I get my @ss kicked! (LOL)

Again ... I would probably visit my local Magic Shop IF I find that there are CARDS that could be "replaced" from the two (2) Decks that I have purchased...

Just an IDEA about how to BOOST those Decks. But ATM I am talking through my HAT... Because I've never PLAYED Magic ... Only know the THEORY behind the game, styles of play, different cards, color-pie, etc. Just GENERAL knowledge of Magic (for the kind of people who LIKE this kind of stuff... And I DO!!!)

Anyhow hopefully it will give me MORE time to THINK about my own CCG... And what might be possible with it!

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about TCGPlayer...

I was going to design a game that would use the Singles After-Market method of purchase for cards. The project is now ON-HOLD as I work on other designs... Namely TradeWorlds, Crystal Heroes and Quest Adventure Cards(tm), 2nd Edition. Right now, those are the games on my radar...

But the IDEA about selling SINGLES is not too bad. It by-passes the booster production and lowers the cost of SELLING individual cards.

Anyhow, just something I WAS thinking about...

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Well now is as good a time as any

@questccg, If you want to pick my brain about MtG, now is probably the best time. I tested positive for Covid, so I am Quarentined for the next week. (I had my suspicions, which is why I started the quarantine last weekend, but just confirmed it today.) That's part of the reason I've been more active on here lately.

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OMG that is terrible... How is your breathing?

So sorry to hear about you having COVID-19. Yeah 2 weeks is the quarantine time... Minimum. How is your breathing and sinuses? I'm actively using Reactine because of my sinuses are all blocked up. I'm sure getting the virus would be terrible for me. I sometimes wake up in the night with shortness of breath or have periods where I have difficulties breathing because of mucus (from the sinuses).

I haven't yet received my Magic Decks. When I get them, that's the first thing I'll take a look at the cards and share with you what my cards are.

Really bad that you've been infected. I hope your quarantine period is all that you need ... And that the virus doesn't degenerate and cause you breathing difficulties... No way I want a part of being on some ventilator in some hospital somewhere!

I strictly wish you the best is this period of crisis (personal not global).

Cheers!

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