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kfourcell
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Hi, my name is Kenneth, I'm an inventor and hopeful entrepreneur; I invented a device that will transform two dimensional board games into three dimensional board games, though I confident that this will be the next big thing in board gaming, what I need is validation, what I need is the feedback of board gamers. I built a prototype of my device out of PVC, what I propose is to connect with local (the Bronx, NY) board gaming groups and permit them to use the device as they see fit, to record themselves and their friends using the device and upload the video to my Youtube page; moreover, I would like the most candid and most critical of feedback, because I cannot fix what I do not know what is broken.
My facebook page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqupzc7WLTXHyhxavr6ubDg

krone9
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what value does this add over

what value does this add over 2d games?

I can see a size advantage but I'm not sure how much value I really place on that

(incidentally 3d chess has been around for a long time but never really taken off - what problems does that have and how have you solved them?)

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3d and this forum

The people here so far display an aversion to 3d in all aspects, with a standard response of "what can it add" and "it just adds complexity" but an unwillingness to actually look at or play with any implementation and then offer an informed comment. The same attitude is displayed toward any digital implementation or enhancement of a game.

You will need GAMES that use 3d or multilevel boards in order to test your platform/support/bracing prototype - after you have games you would then test vs alternate platform or paperwork methods (you are using the trunk and branch approach at the moment). Have you found any such games yet? My old clunky 1978 game uses 10 levels - see https://boardgamegeek.com/blog/5803/old-game-now-public-domain - but games with fewer levels might be better for testing your platform.

Have you looked for games that use multiple layers yet? Your platform approach remains a solution in search of a problem until those games appear (my 2016 revamp/redesign of my old game is not suited to your platform approach since it requires digital or clerical staff/referee and a reduced hidden info variant I am considering is not practical to produce in a physical version at any reasonable cost without having excessive paperwork).

Welcome to Flatland, where introducing a third dimension is a thread killer.

example:
http://www.bgdf.com/forum/game-creation/design-theory/there-still-need-s...

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Kind of what was said ^up

Kind of what was said ^up there.

You need games that are designed to be played in that way. You need to film a game being played so people can wrap their heads around the concept. Most war games are 2.5D- a flat surface with 3D features (figures, buildings, hills, vehicles, etc).
When I watched, I think I was like most would be, trying to figure out how a game off the shelf would fit into this system, most rely on line of sight. Logic & tactic would tell most to take the higher levels quickly to rain death to those below.

What I think is that you need to figure out how to easily adapt existing 2D games to this system. How to eliminate all the measuring devices, etc.
I also feel you should make the system small enough for a table top & develop games to be played on it.

I really hate to say it, but here goes- when I go to my local game shop and watch people play games, I rarely see many that would/could use a large system like this. Most won't/can't squat & stand over & over.

Having pets would also be a problem with having this set up & waiting to finish a game.

I can see something like this be used for a dungeon/sewer/cave/something game where you need to go down or up to get to the next area. Almost like a physical 3D representation of a video game.

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what value does this add over 2d games?

Krone9
Hay, and thank you for your frank response; "what value does this add over 2d games", none. My device is not designed to replace two dimensional board gaming, it is design to be and add on, an accompaniment to two dimensional board games. It is design to expand the imagination by adding a third dimension to two dimensional board games. Eg; imagine, please - just for a moment; that you are playing a game that requires you to explore some dark, dank dungeon; normally you would have to spread all of your game board game out across a long, long table; and then proceed to move back and forth along said table, as you move your game piece from level to level, board to board pretending to descend into some imaginary hell. But all the while you are just moving back and forth along a two dimensional surface. Now, enter the 3D platform; with the 3D platform add to your gaming arsenal you can now take all of those level and stack them into the 3D platforms array, now you can move your game piece up and down through multiple levels, multiple boards, multiple maps.
What value the does the 3D Platform adds, the 3D Platform is limited only by your own imagination.

" Incidentally 3d chess has been around for a long time but never really taken off - what problems does that have and how have you solved them?"

Yes, Krone9, 3D chess has been around for a long time, since 1901 I believe, and since its inception into the chess kingdom the concept of three dimensional has grown and spawned many variants; but despite this, there has been no platform and no device that allows chess player to take advantage of them, nor to explore them.
Because of this oversight interest in three dimensional chess has languished. Today there are very few, but specialized three dimensional chess sets on the market, unfortunately, those few existing sets are exclusive; because you can only play their games, on their boards, with their pieces, and by their rule set. Meaning, if you wanted to explore or play another three dimensional variant you would have to buy a whole new set.

Enter, again - The 3D Platform; The 3D Platform will fill the deficit that has for too long been left empty. It will be the vehicle that will allow chess players to explore the forgotten kingdom., with the 3D Platform chess players can now explore a variety of three dimensional chess variants that was beyond their.

kfourcell
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3d and this forum

gxnpt, thanks for your candid reply. the 3D platform is just that, a platform, it is not a game but a platform for playing gaming - how one use it is entirely up to the individual. Many board games have 3D elements in them, moving from room to room, floor to floor, deck to deck, exploring the ocean depths and then returning to the surface. These games with dimensional elements require board gaming, or card gamers, to pretend to explore these dimensions by moving back and forth across a table top, with the 3D platform gamers will no longer have to waste the extra space; moreover, the will no longer have to pretend to climb up and down imaginary level, for the could now actually climb up and down multiple levels, thanks to the 3D Platform.

kfourcell
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Kind of what was said ^up

ssm; thanks for your candid reply. the 3D platform is just that, a platform, it is not a game but a platform for playing gaming - how one use it is entirely up to the individual. Many board games have 3D elements in them, moving from room to room, floor to floor, deck to deck, exploring the ocean depths and then returning to the surface. These games with dimensional elements require board gaming, or card gamers, to pretend to explore these dimensions by moving back and forth across a table top, with the 3D platform gamers will no longer have to waste the extra space; moreover, the will no longer have to pretend to climb up and down imaginary level, for the could now actually climb up and down multiple levels, thanks to the 3D Platform.
My device stands a mere 3.5' tall and the multiple level can not only be removed and more added, but rotate 360 in both direction and each individual level is height adjustable. Besides, from what I have seen, board gamers they usually have to stand and circumvent an elaborate table set up, I doubt that my device will an any more ware and tear to them; but, well - you never know.

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Watched the 3 video's.A lot

Watched the 3 video's.
A lot of "not sure if trolling, or is..." meme's popping up in my head.

The video's don't explain your idea, at all. They just show something on different platforms in different altitudes. That, is not 3D. That is just stacking.

If your goal is to safe up room by stacking. That has already been done by improvising players. Then your idea isn't new.
If your goal is to add another dimensions in the form of game play. That too, is already done by improvising players. Again, your idea isn't new.

Adding 3D to 2D makes things complicated. Only 2D games that have 3D rules, could go into 3D. But new problems pop up.

The room for storage. 3D eats up a lot of it. And it is only for those hobbyists that like a game so much. They create 3D terrain for it. And that includes 3D workings, like tunnels and bridges.

If you keep it simple. Like how it has been done before. Then it might work. And you get something like this:
http://www.justwilliam.co.uk/william-4-web/ephemera-photos/boardgame2.JPG

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4b/76/6b/4b766b961e9c9c7cf27d5...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5c/bc/a9/5cbca9fce509d4a3a3cc1...

https://boardgamegeek.com/camo/3741cddb0bd5a987059ae8fbb536a9482df7eb6d/...

https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1AEdWKXXXXXciXXXXq6xXFXXXG/wooden-tic-tac-...

https://coggaming.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/dscn1446.jpg

Makes me wonder, have you googled for 3D board games?

kfourcell
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Watched the 3 video's.A lot

Hi,x3m and thank you for your candid response; and no I wasn't trying to be a dick. Infact I'm dead serious and all your points are very valid. My device and idea is nothing more than stacking, but all the 3d board games you have shown me just cement my reason for creating my device, because this games are exclusive. My device is a platform that can be used for more than one game, or anything; and no one has done that before. I'm and an inventor, an idea guy, video production and marketing is alien to me. That is why I'm seeking help. If I could put together a small group of gamers will to check what I have, hear me out, and are convinced by my argument them maybe, just maybe. . . well, who knows what the future holds.

X3M
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Perhaps it is better to

Perhaps it is better to design a couple of games yourself. That fits your idea.

Expecting other designers to contact you, while you only offer an idea. Has a success rate of close to 0. They want to see results first. Or you must have build up a name that makes them consider your idea.

Designers are not expecting their designs to be modified either. Or else I suggested to pick existing games. And try to implement the idea on them.

What you could do is... pick a game you like to play a lot. Design something similar (yet completely different, no copy). And add the 3D that you want.

If that has somewhat success, then you are one step further. Also, expect your first designs to fail.
Fail and learn from it. It is a road that everyone makes. And perhaps you also will reconsider, like me, if designing games is something you like. But overall, can or cannot do.

ssm
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What x3m said is where I was

What x3m said is where I was going to go.
Maybe develop a table top version out of chipboard & a series of rogue-like games to go along with it.

I think a thing that throws off the video for most is the army men with bunkers and fences; it just doesn't convey the message you may be trying to get across.
Never EXPECT people to get something just by seeing it. Some will see a picture of it & instantly have ideas for it's use, others will see it fully set up & in play & still ask what it is.

kfourcell
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Perhaps it is better to

Hi XM3; Yeah, clearly I'm having conveying my vision, but that's way I need feedback, thanks. I'm not seeking designers I'm seeking the feedback of board gamers, and local board gaming groups. My idea is still in the developmental stage and what I have is a proof of concept model which I would like to present to a board gaming group to play test. But again, my device, the 3D Platform isn't a game but a device to play games on, it is an add on or a stand alone. The games already exist, they are out there, I don't need to create nor invent 3D games. Use your imagination.

kfourcell
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What x3m said is where I was

Hay ssm;

Yeah, clearly I'm having conveying my vision, but that's way I need feedback, thanks. I'm not seeking designers I'm seeking the feedback of board gamers, and local board gaming groups. My idea is still in the developmental stage and what I have is a proof of concept model which I would like to present to a board gaming group to play test. But again, my device, the 3D Platform isn't a game but a device to play games on, it is an add on or a stand alone. The games already exist, they are out there, I don't need to create nor invent 3D games. Use your imagination.

Echo. . .

kfourcell
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Let me try to clarify. . .

OK, lets see if I can clear up a lot of misconceptions, my device isn’t actually a game, but a device, an add on for using with the game; though it can be used as a stand alone device. What value my device adds is that it isn’t restraint by any rules. You don’t have to use all the levels, these individual levels can be removed or added. Moreover, you can adapt just about any RPG fantasy role playing. Many 2D fantasy role playing games already have a 3D element to it; you travel to a tower, cave, swim to the ocean deep, you enter a burning building, invade a derelict spacecraft; and you have to explore these multiple levels; unfortunately you have to do it two dimension; by spreading your gaming tiles or maps across a two dimensional surface and convince yourself you are actually ascending or descending through multiple levels, but all the while you are moving back and forth across a flat two dimensional surface. My device will make tabletop gaming more - immersive, it will give fantasy tabletop RPGs more depth; that is, for those who wish it. Let us remember at one time no one wanted scenery maps and mini figures; but they relented because it add a depth to the game, I believe my device will do the same. It won't be for everyone. But I’m sure someone out there is looking for something like this.

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Heh, 9 month gap there

Heh, 9 month gap there

kfourcell
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Heh, 9 month gap there

No kidding, I have no excuse. . . Pardon me. Lost track, confuse with BGG, deleted the account and realize I should've been here. I have no words to express my utter shame.

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