# What option do you think is better?

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MAR
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We have been working on our game Headhunter: Hilarious Hires From History for a while, and things are going well. Anyways, one of the components is a 4-sided die because in the game you roll to see how many people are being hired (1-4). Out of our reviews, many people really liked the d4, and others didn't. We are still going with a die, but we got a suggestion and I want to see what people think. The alternative that we are considering is a 6-sided die that has sides of 1-2-2-3-3-4. The advantages, as we see it, are it is easier to read for less d4 savvy players, easier to roll, and adds a different level of probability. It is much more expensive up front, though. What do you think?

Thanks,

-Austin

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Some people consider the d4 as a bad dice. It doesn't roll that well etc.
You might like to consider the d8 as well.
11223344 or
11122334 are examples that you can use.

Then again, with 2d6 you can easily have 4 EQUAL options.
1-3/1-3 is A
1-3/4-6 is B
4-6/1-3 is C
4-6/4-6 is D
Which requires 2 colours. But the pips can remain at default.

Or simply sum them up, if you don't want different coloured of d6. But still 4 EQUAL options.
A: 4 or 7
B: 5 or 6
C: 8 or 9
D: 2, 3, 10, 11 or 12

MAR
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d8

We considered the d8 as well, but I kind of like the d6 option better as an alternative, if we decide to replace the d4. The only reason that I would't think about the 2d6 options is because it adds another piece (even if it is only 1 die). But the Single 8, with the 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4, would maybe be the other consideration.

Thanks,

Austin

X3M
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Another thought occured to

Another thought occured to me.

Having just one d6.
A: 1
B: 2
C: 3
D: 4
A or B: 5
C or D: 6

High rolls allow the player to choose out of 2 options.

MAR
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Interesting thought. I can

Interesting thought. I can mention it to the rest of my team. :)

Fri
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122334 dice

Just wanted mention that dragon wood uses 122334 dice.

ElKobold
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You can also use 2d6 and take

You can also use 2d6 and take the lowest/highest. Or subtract one result from the other. Depending which probability fits your game best.

I believe two standard dice will cost less than one custom die. Especially if tooling is taken into the account.

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ElKobold wrote:You can also

ElKobold wrote:
You can also use 2d6 and take the lowest/highest. Or subtract one result from the other. Depending which probability fits your game best.

I believe two standard dice will cost less than one custom die. Especially if tooling is taken into the account.

Absolutely 2 standard d6 is cheaper than one custom d6, though it's largely the upfront tooling cost and very minimal from my experience.

My latest custom d6 quote included standard d6 as well. at only 500 copies the standard d6 are 8 cents each. The custom are 8 cents each plus a 200 tooling cost (making them just over 9 cents a piece at 500 games (15 dice per game)).

Obviously the more you make the cheaper it is per die as well (both custom and standard).

I think the problem (if you want to call it that), more so than cost, with rolling 2 standard dice in Elkobold's suggestion is that you then add in the extra thinking step (math). People tend to dislike having to consciously do math to get a needed result.

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Custom d6

Out of the options you suggest in your original post, I suggest you go for the custom d6 you outline. If it's too cost prohibitive, then go with the normal d4.

I'd also suggest that X3M's custom d6 option is worth considering (players choose which they want of two options when rolling two of the faces), if you wanted to try something different AND if it's worth the brain power required for people to make the choice between the two options. If it's really no big deal and you just want something other than the players themselves choosing how many potential hires there are, then skip it and go with your custom d6.

Jay103
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A custom D6 shouldn't be a

A custom D6 shouldn't be a huge extra expense, but it's also not nothing. If you're going that way, you probably want special art printed on it, not just pips (my game has custom dice but just regular pips on any given face). Though I'll also note that some manufacturers might give you a deal if you just have regular pips on the sides, since there's no art setup cost for art they already have. That's not for engraving, of course.. just for printing. I'm looking at \$0.10 per custom die for my game, MOQ 1000.

MAR
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custom die

Thanks for the feedback everyone, I expected mixed results, but still very helpful. Its not a ridiculous cost for the mold and custom dice, but it is another upfront cost for sure. Ignoring the cost involved, for argument, and if both dice would work perfectly for the game, what would be better/preferred between the two? I could go either way, maybe leaning towards the custom d6? No wait, now leaning towards the d4. Not sure.

Tim Edwards
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MAR wrote:Thanks for the

MAR wrote:
Thanks for the feedback everyone, I expected mixed results, but still very helpful. Its not a ridiculous cost for the mold and custom dice, but it is another upfront cost for sure. Ignoring the cost involved, for argument, and if both dice would work perfectly for the game, what would be better/preferred between the two? I could go either way, maybe leaning towards the custom d6? No wait, now leaning towards the d4. Not sure.

Could a spinner be an option?

Paul Ott
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These d4 roll very nicely,

These d4 roll very nicely, and are easy to read. They're a little large, but I like them quite a bit: ~30mm from tip to tip, ~20mm face.

No idea how much it would cost to do a custom die this shape though.

https://www.thediceshoponline.com/dice/9773/Crystal-Caste-Pearl-Blue-D4-...

Fri
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122334 is a die in the Sicherman dice set

I remembered that Deep Sea Adventure uses 122334 die as well as Dragon Wood.

So I decided to do some research on 122334 dice. It turns out this die is half of a Sicherman dice set. The die in this set is 134568. Together they produce the exact probability spread as 2 standard d6s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicherman_dice

Though it was a fascinating tangent to explore it did not really help MAR. I found some places to buy a Sicherman dice set online, but I couldn't really find a way to get them in bulk. So if you decide to use this type of die there may be a mold for it somewhere.

MAR
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122334

Interesting info, thanks! I tried to find it in bulk too, but was unable. The option that we have is to make the mold ourselves (then obviously we own the mold for future use) and then print them off. up front, it will cost about \$1 a die per game since we only need one a game. After the initial print run, if the game demands a second one (that would be awesome) then the die would only cost about .06 per die since we would have the mold at that point. Thanks for all the input, I will talk to my team about it, and see what we come up with :)