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Toy play: Creating a log while playing

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I just had an idea lately. Toy play sessions are used to explore new mechanics or find new contents for existing mechanics. The idea is simple, you play a fictional board game like a toy or a like a solo RPG. You improvise as you play. You do not need to have strict rules to follow, but having components to play with is very useful.

In order to maximize what I can extract from a toy play session, I was thinking that maybe logging everything that is happening in the game could be useful. I was thinking of making the following logging categories:

A. Actions the players makes
B. Actions the opponents or AI makes
C. Events that occurs in the game.

Do you think a logging mechanism could indeed be useful?

It's an indirect way to tell a story like a solo RPG. It could be too heavy to maintain, it would need to be written while playing.

Can you think of other categories of items to include in the log?

I also though that toy play could also be done almost as a pen and paper game. There is a bit more limitations, and writing the log by hand might be more tedious, but it's doable.

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Use an iPad or a Tablet PC...

larienna wrote:
...I also though that toy play could also be done almost as a pen and paper game. There is a bit more limitations, and writing the log by hand might be more tedious, but it's doable.

Just use an iPad. Or a Tablet in the PC world. Such devices have a closed OS and you can download apps to be used "on the go" so-to-speak. They are meant for portable engagements like meetings and so forth, taking notes and even video grabbing and/or video conferencing.

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I started taking notes on my

I started taking notes on my tablet by typing with the virtual keyboard. It`s manageable to note down ideas quickly or on the bus.

I don't need to transcribe the information afterwards, just need to download it.

It does not works well when sketches are necessary.

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Remarkable is supposed to be real good at...

Transforming notes to digital content INCLUDING images. But it's a $500 CAD device, here is the link/URL:

https://remarkable.com/store/remarkable-2

If you really have a need for such a device... well then you should check it out. It is next to paper as it gets.

You can Google for reviews and comments on the portable device such as this. But I think it does exactly what you want:

Convert notes to doc format (written to digital) and it has some kind of way to save images and drawn stuff too!

Just a suggestion... Something to dream about (at $500 CAD I can't afford it). Maybe you can save up for it... No Starbucks for 5 months and voila a new Remarkable pen/tablet.

Best!

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Best to make the notes as

Best to make the notes as complete as possible right away.
If you use "code" and want to work it out later. You will probably be missing (and forgetting) a lot.

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I was thinking in having

I was thinking in having different categories of entries to make them easily identifiable. Could even take the notes in an excel sheet to be able to sort by category and subject.

Questccg, there are much cheaper devices, it's called Boogie Boards. Still, not all of them have save/backup capabilities. I am considering to buy one someday. You can test them at staples, the kids version seems to have less precisions.

https://myboogieboard.com/

Could be useful to keep track of HP when playing RPG.

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Wow ... That actually looks COOL!!!

Never knew there were less expensive models. I ordered one of these to SAVE money on buying notebooks. I know notebooks are "permanent"... but I've got like 5 or 6 of them and they are filled with useless notes ... because everything changes and it's not possible to update information like you can digitally.

Cost me $70 CAD which includes the board, 2 or 3 sheet styles, a Stylus, and a cover too. I really hope they still have that 1 remaining... Because it will save on the notebooks and I can covert to images on my Smartphone and I can backup to USB key...

It's mostly notes... they are NOT permanent because designs change, I also use Notepad++ to keep information.

Hopefully they still have that 1 in-stock... Here's hoping... The cover shipped but not the unit... I will let you all know what happens.

Cheers.

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One thing that I realized is

One thing that I realized is that for tight games that are more abstract, like a deck building game with text abilities, you might need a working game to toy play.

For example, I could make an expansion for Rune Age. It's an already working game, I just need to improvise events, or identify certain situations that occurs during the game.

Situations could be another thing that can be logged. It could lead to the creation of new content to avoid or trigger those situations.

Else, if the game idea is more raw, having a loose game using lot of stats with no text abilities might be easier to toy play.

Maybe I should design variants again, that should be shorter to design and allow some form of game play. I won't be able to test digitally.

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Thanks again for sharing the boogie boards with me!

There are 3 available in quantity. They are on Amazon.com for the notebook size. I am so excited that for the first time I will be able to ERASE! I write with a pen and cannot erase. The Blackboard boogie board CAN erase. I'll just go the old fashioned way which means taking pictures of my notes. But if I can upload them to Google Drive... that would be EPIC!!!

I love the fact that it's better than my existing notebooks. I will be able to actually take notes and erase some of them... We'll have to wait and see.

I will share my experience with it and let you all know if it works or not.

Best!

Note #1: I've since watched a couple of YT videos about erasing and calibration... seems pretty neat as far as I can tell. The fact that I no longer NEED to buy notebooks and run out of pages in a section is GREAT!

I'll see... but I guess I'll have a folder per game and then a page number (001) a revision number (001) and a description... this way everything is kosher: "003.001 - some dice analysis".

This would mean page #3, revision #1 ... So that everything is kept in-order!

Can't wait to try it out!

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Some ppl were complaining that the app is too simple...

I on the other hand thought that the app was neat. I use a stylus with my smartphone and it turns out I can EDIT pages directly in the app!

It's probably not as good as the boogie board... but for FREE, pretty cool.

I should get it later in the week.

Cheers all!

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Off-Topic ... But still relevant in 2024!

I just wanted to say that I received my Boogie Board Note with Folio... And the experience is a bit "underwhelming". The Boogie Board itself is great. I love the way the Stylus feels when writing, I love that you can erase and edit a page... All this is great.

Where I am a bit "disappointed" is in the App. I know I said it sounded COOL and for the most part it is. But the text is HARD to scan. I have overhead lights and it's very hard to get away from the GLARE of the lights in the Bachelor... And for that one (1) (albeit stupid reason) that I don't like the Boogie Board.

There always seems to be some kind of LIGHT glare and it is ANNOYING trying to take a nice picture WITHOUT the lighting affecting the end-result. And that is MY PAIN POINT: the light dims the writing and makes (in a way) the result of the capture/scan useless (because it DIMS the writing on the Boogie Board - when it is scanned).

I've tried at my DESK... It's a bit better than on the BED. But I do most of my writing before bed after some cool down from using the computer. So it's a bit of a downtime and I also meditate too... And so after meditation, I like to review my NOTES and see what new ideas I get with regards to a specific DESIGN. That could be like a 1-Hour session of re-reading and jotting down new thoughts and fresh ideas with regards to whichever design I am interested in working on at that moment.

So I give the Boogie Board a 3 out of 5 (3 / 5).

If I could somehow RESOLVE the glare issue... Well then EASILY the rating would be a 4 or even 5 given that the lighting does not interfere with my capabilities of scanning.

I don't know if any of you have such a device. If someone does and wants to offer some advice... I would love to hear from YOU! That's right any thoughts, remarks, comments, advice, ideas, feedback you want to share is welcome.

Cheers all... And I'll play around with my Boogie Board a bit more to see IF I can solve the lighting issues myself.

Update: So I played around with the Contrast settings in the App and you can lower the Brightness and get much DARKER and CRISP line and text ... And the result is pretty decent TBH. I will continue to experiment with the Device... I'm happy that with this CONTRAST setting at LEAST the TEXT is more VISIBLE and not FADDED as before.

They are CLEVER!

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I though the app connected to

I though the app connected to the device. I did not know you had to take a picture.

Did you try lighting at 45 degrees? That is what photographers are using for microfilming documents.

I was thinking in getting one, but I did not had one yet. One issue was with the storage, saving and recovery of written information. Like you, I might be working of multiple ideas at once, and might need to switch page, but store the old page for later. Might use it more for making drawings than writing text.

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What is possible...

The App does NOT connect to the device ... Unless you buy a $100 USD "special" PEN. That comes with some blank templates and allows DIRECT connect to the App.

You can SAVE your work and MERGE later (2 pages)... But there are caveats to this. Meaning if you use the BLANK templates they give you when you buy the PEN, then you can merge pages.

You CANNOT LOAD from OLD. ONLY MERGE or SPLIT.

The other matter is that you can EXPORT to various devices but NOT to a PNG or JPG file... (Direct EXPORT). It doesn't work like that... You can SHARE but you cannot EXPORT. I sent them an email to ASK for a Feature: namely export to Image files (like JPG or PNG whichever).

The "USE MORE LATER"... Is NOT compatible with the DEVICE. It's best to have your own naming structure and save which keeping older PAGES/IMAGES. I have something like this: "Product.Page.Revision - Reference". So as an example: "TWD.001.01 - Expansion ideas"...

This sort of makes filing documents easy and has a naming conventions that allow easier access to files. Of course in the App you can just swipe left or right and it will go to the next or preceding page.

So you CANNOT LOAD. That's the CRUX of the problem. And this is NOT a digital device by all means. It's more like a fancy chalk board which you can save by scanning images using their App.

In any case... You have to adjust your routine to the DEVICE and not the other way around. Since it cannot LOAD... You need to have a naming convention that indicates "revisions". I personally use PAGE for DAY. So if yesterday was 003 (Day #3), I can use "004" today (if I take some notes or not)... they don't have to be each day... Just the days I feel like working on a specific game or product.

Like I said for $70 CAD taxes in and including shipping... It's a clever device that is analog and used with the App gives it some digital features.

How can I explain further... Well it's not $499 CAD plus $239 CAD for a FOLIO and $179 CAD for another PEN... Which when you add it all up it's $917 CAD... Plus probably TAXES too (not sure). But compare $70 CAD and $917 CAD.

Well I'm sure you get the picture. ReMarkable 2 costs TOO MUCH. And the Blackboard is an ANALOG device that allows you to scan your device and have digital files given your own naming conventions.

It's VERY COOL... But you need to ADAPT how you take notes to it. And not the other way around. And that means scanning each page as you write it and using REVISIONS for extra notes.

Besides the Note-Size which is GREAT ... Is like a notebook. You can't write and then do drawings (the size doesn't really allow that). I mean I guess you could do HALF and HALF. But that means very few notes and limited graphics.

I would split both (NOTES on one page and GRAPHICS on the other).

Like I said, it's NOT perfect. But it's a remarkable (Pun intended) device TO BE SURE! Hahaha... Just a bit of humor since this is a question of AFFORDABILITY.

Note for $70 CAD: I got the Device, Stylus, Templates and a Folio too.

All you need. So it's really like $70 CAD vs. $917 CAD + taxes (on the other more expensive device).

I've seen a spike in price in the last few days... So I think the price of the Blackboard Boogie Board is now like $80 CAD (+$10 CAD). Definitely still worth it. It's just that the price has increased over the last week from when I purchased my device!

Hope that HELPS a bit. If you get it... You need to give it a CHANCE. Like I said YOU must ADAPT to how IT works and what can be done with the device. That's probably the most important piece of advice that I could give.

Cheers!

Note #1: I also wanted to mention that I am using the NOTE version which is HALF the size of the LETTER version. I personally didn't want the LETTER version as it's like the size of a LETTER. Hard to transport due to the size and the NOTE version is really like an iPad (maybe a little bit smaller). It works for me... But it is HARDER to find the NOTE-sized version.

You have to check if you can order the NOTE-size from Amazon.com and pay for the shipping from the USA to Canada. Not too costly, I think it was $12 USD for shipping and the two products were $35.99 USD. Came out to $66.68 CAD in total...

Again $70 CAD (assuming some exchange fees too...)

Note #2: Just wanted to mention about the NAMING CONVENTION that I am using. It's "Product.Page.Revision - Reference". And as I mentioned I use the Product for the GAME, the Page for the DAY and Revision for the NOTE I am talking: "TWD.001.02 - PYL Concept".

So it's "TradeWorlds", "Day #1", "Page #2" and the reference is "PYL Concept".

Again DAYS are not CONSECUTIVE. Like if Monday = "001", Thursday can be "002" because I didn't write any notes on Tuesday or Wednesday... I hope you understand what I mean. The "Page" is more like a DAY and they are ordered so you can know what ideas came before the other day's idea.

This basically means that I have 999 DAYS and each Day had 99 PAGES. That's enough for my own purposes... I don't think I need anything more than that...

But you might have your own NAMING CONVENTIONS and that's good too...

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I am a library technician, I

I am a library technician, I know how to name files. It's part of my professions.

What you bought is this model right:

https://www.staples.ca/products/2797874-en-boogie-board-bd0160001-blackb...

The "Professional" version has a better resolution when I tested it at staples. The writing is more sharp than the smaller ones.

If the app is just taking pictures, then I can take any app that is taking pictures and have the same results. I don't need the boogie board app unless if offers something more.

Of course, if it's just a camera app, it cannot load a picture on the board.

It would have been cool to have such a board when playing dungeons and dragons to keep track of HP and other expendables.

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Similar product but...

That version is the LETTER size. I bought the NOTE size which is like a Apple iPad. It's HALF the size of the LETTER:

https://www.staples.com/boogie-board-blackboard-note-smart-notepad-5-5-x...

You can only find it in the USA ATM. I don't want the LETTER size it is too BIG to transport. The NOTE version is good because it's portable. Yes there is LESS writing surface... But I wanted it to replace Hilroy 5-Subject Notebooks for a few reasons:

#1> Price. Those darn notebooks are costing like $8.99 each + Taxes.

#2> Running out of pages. There are 5-Subjects... But sometimes I need more that the number of pages in a SUBJECT (or Section).

#3> Eco-Friendly. Better than notebooks because you don't need to cut trees and this is a very Eco-Friendly solution.

#4> Feels like Paper. The feel of the Stylus is not junkie like plastic on plastic. The Stylus has a real feel as a PEN.

#5> Can Erase. Previously my notebooks could NOT erase. I would have to cross-out or strike-out stuff that was in ERROR. Or miss-wrote something, etc.

So the NOTE version is SIMILAR but it's better in terms portability. Even when taking notes, I'd prefer the note-size because it's like a NOTE book (eNote or eWriter)...

The App that comes with the product (or you can download) INVERTS Black into White. So you pages come out looking that WHITE PAGES. It also allows you to adjust contrast, sampling resolution and to erase content (with the Eraser). It also allows you to HIGHLIGHT text with various colors too.

You can DOWNLOAD the App NOW and play with it. Just put you camera on a flat surface and take a BLACK picture... And then you'll see when you SCAN it, it will become WHITE and then you can play around with the DRAWING capabilities (not good...) But you can try out the highlight and eraser, etc. Contrast setting and sampling resolutions, etc. 92.5% in the default sample resolution. 100% makes the page WHITE again... (and makes all of the writing disappear too!)

Anyhow ... The App is cool too. This is a VERY clever device but it is Analog and not DIGITAL (like ReMarkable 2 or Tablet PCs). But in return all you need is a Watch Battery which has a shelf life of 10-Years according to Energizer.

So you've got to compare Apples to Apples and Potatoes to Potatoes. If you want everything, be prepared to pay $917 CAD. If you want something that is a bit of progress once you adapt to using it... It's like $70 CAD...

Just saying...

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larienna wrote:
I am a library technician, I know how to name files. It's part of my profession.

I know... I'm just saying that file naming conventions are important if you want to keep some kind of ORDER of all your files.

larienna wrote:
What you bought is this model right...

As I mentioned I bought the COMPACT "NOTE-sized" version of the same product as you have listed at Staples (or Bureau En Gros).

larienna wrote:
The "Professional" version has a better resolution when I tested it at staples. The writing is more sharp than the smaller ones.

The Blackboard ("Professional") version comes in TWO (2) SIZES: LETTER and NOTE. That is what I am trying to explain...

larienna wrote:
If the app is just taking pictures, then I can take any app that is taking pictures and have the same results. I don't need the boogie board app unless if offers something more.

You can DOWNLOAD the App NOW and play with it. You'll see it does some neat stuff like INVERT to Black on White while the Boogie Board is Gray on Black.

larienna wrote:
Of course, if it's just a camera app, it cannot load a picture on the board.

It's a Camera App allows Editing and storing of your SCANs. And you get the option once the picture is taken to mark the AREA using a Rectangle with CORNERS to fit the SCAN... And that's also part of the MAGIC that is offered by the App.

Download the App and PLAY with it. You'll see for yourself that the App they have developed is VERY clever (and interesting).

Cheers @Eric... Hope this explains things a bit better.

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