Yu-Gi-Oh! Flaws

There are non-creature cards in Yu-gi-oh. There are also flip creatures. I play a deck that uses 50% non-creature, 50% creature, with the creatures being broken into 50% 4 star and 50% flip. The flip cards I use are ones that destroy the opponent's lowest power creature (if they play >4 star, then they usually only have 1 creature at a time), etc. There are many ways to get around it. It is like Magic, though less complex. There are multiple paths to victory other than just biggest creature.

Concerning your question, what are the high and low values you are using? 0-9, or 100-1000 or what? The KEY value can be found mathematically I suppose, but playtesting will refine whatever numbers you get through the formula you use. If you use math to do it, and don't have many variables, then the 'right' cards to play will become evident quickly. That is why playtesting will cause you to refine some of the numbers. The more variables you have, the less able you will be to use a formula, and the more playtesting you will have to do. This will also mean that the game is more difficult to break.

Basically, if a formula is used to determine the KEY values, you will still have to mess with the numbers or it probably won't be much of a game.

It's not impossible to defeat the very powerful creature, it's it just very hard. You need to have and draw the right cards.

The advantage in duel masters is that even if you have a creature that has a strength of 10 000 000, the goal of the game is not to destroy creatures but to destroy enemy shields. A shield is destroyed if any creature (what ever the strength) attack the opposing player. 6 attack is required to kill a player.

So even if you have a very strong creature, yes that creature is going to kill any of my creature. But if I I have always more creature in play, the other creature that did not get killed will attack you and defeat you.

2nd important details, only creatures with the "Blocker" special ability in duel masters can block another creature. Of if you have no blockers, it will still be possible to win against and invincible creature. If you have a really strong blocker, each blocker can only block 1 creature at a time. So you generally flood attack with many small creature, since the player will not block them all.

Yes, there is no reason to have a 1-3 star creature unless it has a flip ability. Yugioh, especially in the story, strongly promotes the idea of: the more money and more experienced you are, the better will be your cards. Only less experienced or poorer player will have lvl 1-3 star cards in their deck.

While in DM, like MTG, everything has a cost. You generally want a variety of cheap and hight cost creature. You pay for what you get.

yes as a game that is flawed but as a way to get players to buy hundreds of dollers woth of cards to get a rare powerful creature it is perfect.

Oh; I've gotcha. I was reading something wrong.

Well yeah....why would you? Seems like Yu-Gi-Oh is pretty much a 'the winner has more money/better cards' kind of game.

I've found Yu-gi-oh to have several major flaws, such as 'I win now' combos in every set, and the aforementioned Biggest Creature Wins law. It's too bad, because I always love a good creature-combat card game.

My theory is that YGO is only as popular as it is because it had its own weekly anime. The only other card game that has marketing this powerful is Pokemon, which is also a sales juggernaut.

CCGs are weak to the rare-chasing flaw, because when you include very rare and very powerful Rares, players will go to any lengths (i.e. pay lots of money) to get their hands on them. When the game owners succumb to this easy-money temptation, the game becomes flawed.

This is why I'm enjoying the digital MtG Planeswalker games (on Steam or all consoles): You get more or less balanced decks without buying random packs or Magic cards, which I'll never do again.

If you guys want to see a CCG that does NOT fall into the rare-chasing rabbit hole, check out Star Chamber: http://starchamber.station.sony.com/
WARNING: High learning curve and small community, but super addictive.

In MTG, there are bad rares. However, all the best cards are rare. There are even cards which are strictly better than other cards - the better ones being rare, the worse ones being common. For instance, in a recent block, there is a creature that costs 6 generic mana, is a 4/4, and can sometimes be a 6/6. It is a common. There is a rare for 6 generic, is a 6/6, has deathtouch and lifelink, and when it dies, it becomes 2 3/3s, one with deathtouch, and one with lifelink. It is mythic rare (a new rarity made up by WotC to make even more overpowered cards). (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=213815 and http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=207875). There are many other examples of this (Serra Angel and Baneslayer Angel, Air Elemental and Djinn of Wishes, etc.).

It is possible to win with commons against rares, if the other player is playing with a poorly designed deck. However, all the best decks in standard MTG use mythic rares as the linchpins of the decks (they do utilize other cards, but these are less critical).

I have to agree with the person before me, most combat based games tend to have fat creatures in order to turn the tide of combat. Often these fat creatures makes it so that you now have some edge vs the opponent. However if you really want to discuss a game about creatures then lets talk about Cardfight! Vanguard. That game has literally 50 card decks of pure creatures. no events, sorcery, etc... all creature, its as simple as you can get, however the design of the game has other parts that make the game very intuitive.

First - Damage zone. When you take 6 damage you lose the game. However, in order to activate Counter blast Abilities you need to have had taken damage.

Secondly - Triggers. Heal, Critical, Draw, and Stand Triggers. Each of these only function as you attack and you check for a "drive" trigger. So when your Vanguard attacks the Vanguard you get the chance of acquiring extra cards.

Thirdly - Boost, Inercept, and Twindrive - Each level 0-1, 2, and 3 have their own set of on the card abilities. level 3's all have Twin Drive. So based on your assumption with yugioh that the fattest creature always win, we can assume that a deck packed with Lv 3 characters will win you the game. However becuase the game works on a level order you must ride from a level 2. and a level 2 must ride from a level 1 and a level 1 from a 0. So mathematically you deck will consist of enough level 1,2, and finally level 3 characters that no you will not have just level 3's and expect to win the game. Mathematically there is the possibility that you can lose by the time you have your level 2 character in play.

overall, I believe that being narrow minded is more of a flaw than the flaws that Yu-Gi-Oh! has. if you want to point out flaws, lets talk about bad themes, sets, creature abilities, etc... not Big boy wins games. Because even that isnt the entire truth about the game.

If we are to say that the first player that gets the big creature wins, wouldn't games like chess have been burned a long time ago? The player that plays white gets the first move. so they are more likely to get the bigger piece first. two Queens later and they won right? but then again we all know that, that isnt the case. It all comes down to strategy and how adept the player is in the game. :)

I'm not too into Yu-Gi-Oh, but I was wondering, what kinds of formats exist?

The reason I ask is because Magic has a format called "limited", where you play with booster packs you're given. This format completely circumvents the money issue. Booster drafts also ensure that your card pool ends up being based on skill, not just luck.

Also, I find that casual games are usually based around deck CONSTRUCTION, not deck contents. For instance, one of my decks is made up of only commons and uncommons, but it can beat my friends decks made up of rares easily because it's got more synergy and uses a strategy that his deck is not well equipped to deal with.

TBH, the "money" problem only really exists when A) you're playing competitively, or B) your casual friends care about winning. In my play group, we enjoy building decks to suit our play styles or based around a few cards we get out of booster packs. If we wanted to, we could spend all of our money buying rares and throwing them at each other, but for us it's more fun to build decks ourselves. If all your friends care about is winning, then you may have a problem...

Formats are ment to create different gaming environments. Extended decks are different from Modern, however Standard decks and Extended decks seem to be more of Current Trend Vs. Old Trend. While Modern, Legacy and Vintage have completely different deck styles.

vintage being combo heavy, and legacy a bit mid range and Modern is going to be more aggressive according to what Wizo' is currently warping the format into. (no win by turn 4. but okay if you win on turn 5.)

I play competitive Yu-Gi-Oh, and it is a terrible game. It's very fun, but also very bad. The R&D department is either non-existent or highly idiotic. They continually release cards that are either unplayable or completely game-breaking. Here are the basic reasons that caused the game to spiral out of control:

You can only Normal Summon (play) a monster card once per turn. This is a costless act if the monster has a Level of 4 or lower. You can immediately attack or activate the effect(s) of this monsters. See the problem yet?

You may Special Summon monsters an unlimited amount of times per turn. When the game first came out, cards allowed you to Special Summoned only two or three times PER GAME. Now, it is around two or three times PER TURN.

Every new card that comes out pushes the limits of what a Level 4 monster can do. Lately, Level 4s are receiving abilities that should be on a monster of a much higher Level.

Going first has basically no downside.

Cards of high Levels are becoming easier and easier to summon.

Many decks require no skill to pilot. This is the worst thing.