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Printing on rigid posterboard (for game pieces)

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This was touched on in my other post, but I wanted to develop the ideas/questions fully, so a new thread was in order...

It seems that printing directly onto rigid posterboard is possible (for the amateur). And so far as I can tell, only Epson advertises this ability.

The Epson 4000 spec states that it can print on 1.5mm posterboard. However, the all of the posterboard media that Epson makes are too large to fit into this printer.

Q: Can you cut Epson brand posterboard down to size and use it in the 4000?

The Epson 2200 spec states that it can print on 1.2mm "media". But it does not say that it can print on "posterboard" specifically. I wonder if it can??

Q: Does the 2200 print on "posterboard"?

Personal Notes:
The 4000 printer looks great, but it's also very large, and I don't think that I would make enough prints to justify the expense.

Check out just how large this thing is!!!
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/epson-4000-update.shtml

The 2200 looks like the perfect size/price, but does it print on rigid posterboard!?

Finally, I have sent these questions to Epson support. If nobody here has any answers, I will post their reply.

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Printing on rigid posterboard (for game pieces)

Wow! 1.5mm is approximately equal to 59pt board stock! It may be a little tight with 2-ply chipboard (which runs closer to 79pts). If you're looking to print directly onto the board stock itself, then you must be using a white board or at least one that is white faced.

What you want to look for is something called mount board. It comes in white and is sold like chipboard (in single ply or multi-ply). It is much cheaper that matboard and, unlike matboard, is available in thicker stocks that are closer to actual board game weight.

For reference, heavy weight board game tiles are roughly equal to 2-ply chip- or mount board. Single ply would work, but would be much thinner. I'm not sure the type of game pieces you want, depending on the application, single ply could work well.

As for poster board, that is a term that is used (generally) to describe a large format card stock. The poster board I have used is roughly equivalent to 110# card stock (only slightly heavier) and has one coated side (which will make a mess of most printer inks) and an uncoated side that works well in ink-jet printers. If you need something only slightly thicker than card stock, then this would be perfect for you.

According to the Epson Stylus Pro 2200 specs, it will handle up to 1.3mm (or 51pt) thick, which is more than enough for posterboard, and will handle single-ply mountboard.

As for the Epson brand posterboard, according to the spec page and the reference sheet, the board is 1.2mm (47pt) thick board stock. I would classify this as more of a mountboard. If you went to an art supply store and asked for posterboard, you would get the card stock I mentioned earlier.

Being that it is roughly equivalent to mountboard (you can get mountboard in a 48pt caliper), I would suggest that you buy some mount board and give that a try first. Mount board at an art store won't cost more than $1.50-2 for a sheet that is roughly 20x30 or so. Compare that to the Epson board that costs $10-20 per board depending on size.

Oh, and yes, you can cut any media to any size you want. If your art supply store has a picture framing section, they may agree to cut the mountboard to a custom size for little to no money.

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Thanks for all the great information. I am finding lots of information on mount board around the Internet.

I posted my questions on www.inkjetart.com website, and the answers were yes to both questions (from the site administrator). I am still waiting for the official word from Epson support, but it seems logical that they will say yes, too.

And if that is the case, I am leaning towards the 2200. The 4000 looks great, but it's also about the same size as the Titanic, and I would need a couple tugboats to help, every time I tried to move the behemoth.

"Where does a 400 pound printer sleep? ....anywhere it WANTS to!" :)

By the way, I found a sale coupon for the Epson 2200. If you buy the printer from CompUSA by this Saturday, you get $140 back. Which drops the price from $700 to $560.

http://image.compusa.com/pdfs/0014275.pdf

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A coworker told me today that a "new" Epson 2200 is coming out. It is really a new model that was creted to fix some issues that the 2200 model contained. He also mentioned that it will cost less then the 2200 did. I will try to find out more information...

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Zzzzz wrote:
A coworker told me today that a "new" Epson 2200 is coming out. It is really a new model that was creted to fix some issues that the 2200 model contained. He also mentioned that it will cost less then the 2200 did. I will try to find out more information...

Yikes!

Need more info on that one soon!!!

:o

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Topos wrote:
"Where does a 400 pound printer sleep? ....anywhere it WANTS to!"

Now that's funny!

I stopped by the FLAS (Friendly Local Art Store) last night to pick up some board for making a box and learned a little more about the types of boards available. This is for the board they stocked.

There are two types of board that are similar, mount board and illustration board. The mount board came in grey and black and was a little more expensive than illustration board ($4-5 per 20 x 30 sheet).

Illustration board came in white (white on 1 side, dull white on the other) and was $2-3 per 20 x 30 sheet.

Both are roughly the same thickness as single ply chip board. The mount board was available in thicker stock (more like 2-ply chip board), the illustration board was not.

Thicker illustration board may be available, as might white mount board. Searching will help clear that up.

Also, the illustration boartd was available in two finishes, hot pressed and cold pressed. Hot pressed is a smoother finish and probably better for printing directly onto. Cold pressed is a little more coarse. Either are fine for making boxes (my purpose for getting the board), but for printing directly onto it, you'll want hot pressed board.

I'm going to add this info to the Game Maker's Glossary thread in the General forum.

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I should have pointed out that the reason I mentioned the Mat board was a result of going to a JoAnn Fabrics with my fiancee. I was bored so I looked around for things I could use, well they had scrap mat board left over from their framing area. 8.5x11 was 59 cents, and they had two other larger sizes that sold for 79 cents (11x14) and 99 cents (11x17) (if I remember correctly).

If you head to a framing area at any JoAnn Fabrics, AC Moore, Michael's stores I think you will see that there is a ton of different colored mat board for framing (they also have different textures).

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Printing on rigid posterboard (for game pieces)

Wow, looks like I came to the right place to post questions. Great info here!

By the way, I got an official response from Epson today regarding the questions above:

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"Thank you for contacting the Epson Connection.

Both printers are able to print on posterboard, the Pro 4000 can handle a
1.5 mm thickness and the SP 2200 can handle a 1.3 mm thickness. Epson does
not cut or size posterboard. As long as it meets the requirements for the
printer you can size the posterboard yourself."
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So now the question is, whether to buy the 2200 on sale now, or wait a couple months for whatever the new model is.

I did some searching, and found the link below to what might be the 2200 replacement. If so, it looks like they improved the resolution and the results when printing on shiny media. I was thinking of sticking to dull matte finish media, but the resolution looks amazing on this one. It might be worth the wait and the extra $$$.

The new printer apparently prints 1.5 picolitre drops for 5760x1440 resolution. The old 2200 has 4 picolitre drops for 2880x1440 resolution. That's a pretty big difference.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/px-g5000.shtml

edit: If you multiply these numbers, the new printer has twice the number of dots. Wonder what that translates to in real terms that you can see??

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Topos wrote:
Wow, looks like I came to the right place to post questions. Great info here!

: )

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The new printer apparently prints 1.5 picolitre drops for 5760x1440 resolution. The old 2200 has 4 picolitre drops for 2880x1440 resolution. That's a pretty big difference.

Another thing to look at is ink usage. You're probably going to have a lot more coverage than the average user. That's a big consideration when looking at an inkjet printer since inks can get pricey.

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Another thing to look at is ink usage. You're probably going to have a lot more coverage than the average user. That's a big consideration when looking at an inkjet printer since inks can get pricey.

Well if the new model is anything like the 2200, it will have 7 individual ink cartridges. And from what I found on the net, each cartridge for the 2200 is about $6. So even though the new printer will use more ink (because of better print quality) the ink should not cost an arm and a leg.

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Another thing to look at is ink usage....

All of the Epson printers I am looking at use 7 or 8 ink carts, which is great. But I had not considered how much the new printer designs affect ink usage. I just checked the Epson website, and according to their specs, the new printers (with smaller dots) use more ink.

For example, the R1800 (1.5 picolitre drops) is rated at 400 pages at 5% coverage. The old 2200 (4 picolitre drops) is rated 440 pages at 5% coverage.

Yikes! Does that mean that, printing game pieces with near 100% coverage, I will get about 20 pages?

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Printing on rigid posterboard (for game pieces)

Just found the motherload !!!

Great how-to page for creating wargame pieces!

http://privatewars.kyth.org/making_your_own_counters.htm

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Topos wrote:
Just found the motherload !!!

Great how-to page for creating wargame pieces!

http://privatewars.kyth.org/making_your_own_counters.htm

Very nice site! Thanks for sharing, I am sure it will come in handy for many members.

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