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Joined: 04/16/2011

I just wanted to take a moment to mention WHY(?) has been down for about 1 hour twice in the last month. It seems like an AddHandler in the .HTACCESS file was modified for PHP 7.2. I was told by the first Support Analyst that indeed they have made an update to their systems and are DEFAULTING to version 7.2... Originally I did nothing but "restore" the older .HTACCESS file and the website was restored as before.

But yet again TODAY, the .HTACCESS file was modified around 1:00 PM and the 7.2 instructions were YET AGAIN added to the .HTACCESS file.

However today was a bit different than the last time. This time the Support Analyst told me that this was because the AddHandler was for PHP 7.2 and it seems like the website was using PHP 5.3... Unfortunately version 5.3 of PHP is no longer offered on the HOST of this website. So we tried the lowest version which was PHP 5.4... And miraculously it works, the website is up and running no problems.

The Support Analyst also took care to note that requires an OLDER version of PHP and not the latest PHP 7.2. Such that this does not occur again, whenever cPanel decides to update the .HTACCESS files again (and yeah it modifies all .HTACCESS files including the ones for Quest and Monster Keep...)

The point that I would like to MAKE... is this:

questccg wrote:
If at some point the website is DOWN... And it is due to the fact that the PHP versions are too OLD, well the reality is that MAYBE will have to shutdown operations.

It's been over 20 years that the website has been active and in the past there were a half dozen admins to today only 1.5 (Rich is available for questions but he is no master of Drupal either).

So there may be a time where might be down because of LACK of SUPPORT. And what I mean is "Technical Software" required by this ancient beast of a Legacy website which is like 2 versions behind the times.

I unfortunately don't have the expertise to MIGRATE it to a newer version and people who do know... Say it is not as simple as running a script and everything gets done "magically".

Therefore I ask that if there is a DOWNTIME that last a couple days... Rest assured, I will be contacting OUR HOST and seeing if in some way we can REVERT back to the "earlier" version of PHP that was working or whatever else may come our way.

The bottom line is that I "tweak" and I am as GREEN as it comes to Drupal. Yes, I have made some modifications ... But mostly local changes. The reality is that IF for some reason we MUST "go-back" to an earlier version... We will TRY to reason with our HOST and insist that whatever Technical Specs that change ... might need to be "reverted" for to remain live and up-and-running.

And yes... That day will come. As everyone is moving forwards "technologically" and updates are continuous ... and at some point we may just hit a wall in which we will require "special" handling... And hope that can remain a Legacy website.


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let-off studios's picture
Joined: 02/07/2011
Software Update

How much would it take to hire someone to do a coding update to the website?

Patching and band-aids can work for only so long. And you already have enough stuff to do. So would raising funds and then hiring someone to make an update be too far out of the question?

questccg's picture
Joined: 04/16/2011
Hmm... Not sure about that!?

I think this is because this is a Drupal website. And the problem is migration and compatibility of features from one version to the next. Nobody that I know has much experience with Drupal. And my day-to-day business is RUNNING the website... Not "Technical Administration".

I guess what it would take is a seasoned Drupal developer to come on-board and see how this website could be migrated ... and IF it can be migrated.

Again this is difficult to grasp seeing as though I am very technical too... When it comes to managing the "internals" of Drupal ... That type of knowledge is way above my experience and knowledge.

We're not "patching" ... We're simply operating the site AS-IS.

I honestly don't know... And nobody has ever shown any interest in what the website needs and what is possible. Drupal experts are not around all that much either... I wouldn't even know where to begin, TBH!

Note #1: As far as I see it it's about $66k for a Drupal Developer (annually)... I don't know anyone who is experienced enough to do this kind of work. It's like being a Wordpress Developer. You need to know and understand all the internals and then figure out with all the "extras" how to get them working properly. It's difficult... Not an easy job to say the least!

Paul Ott
Joined: 01/22/2018
Hello, I've converted a site


I've converted a site from Drupal to WordPress before. Send a PM if you want to talk.

Rimmsolin's picture
Joined: 12/13/2013
Run a Kickstarter & Patreon

I’d support both.

And collectively we can fund a conversion with KS, and maintenance moving forward with Patreon. On demand engineering vs. staffing at first, most likely.

Also consider opening up the site publicly. While I like the walled garden aspect, it may be too restrictive at this period of time. Volunteer moderators would have to pick up the slack. (Or grant any active user now as mod? I’d certainly bounce spammers and trolls while visiting, as opposed to x time every day. Crowdsource it!)

larienna's picture
Joined: 07/28/2008
Dupral is not maintained

Dupral is not maintained anymore?

They never updated their version of PHP?

Normally, it's the software developer that does the hardwork of making their software compatible with for example newer version of PHP and then you just update the software on your side.

That is what I am doing with my websites. I am using wikis, but I don't handle the PHP myself. My wiki software will keep their software uptodate, and when I want to upgrade, I just replace my software files. The data remains there.

larienna's picture
Joined: 07/28/2008
I am not sure in what format

I am not sure in what format it could take place, but with the pandemic, we used a lot more zoom than the usual.

Maybe we could have discussion groups virtually with zoom, discord or other platform. Or to remain anonymous, maybe we could ask "questions" by filming us playing our prototype to illustrate a problem.

Maybe that could be faster than writing the problem in a forum and reading replies.

X3M's picture
Joined: 10/28/2013

Is still an option.
And I could be admin there as well.

Making new chats.
Archive older ones.
Voice channels.
Sharing links to video's.

The only down side is that you can't really look back.
There is a search option. But if you want to save idea's.
You need to copy paste into word.

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